Moans, ramps and banter

[Norrance]

My father was a very keen gardener from a farming back ground and always said that a good frost was essential for the soil the following season. At least we have had some decent frosts this Winter both in early Dec and Mid Jan though only one or two light air frosts in Feb.

[Wold Topper]

 Asher indeed, suddenly everyone is an agri soil expert, never seen a 2cm slipe on a plough, a lot of carp being posted in the last couple of pages, the land needs to dry up full stop... no rain and a good breeze will dry the land up as usual!

Edited February 23 by Wold Topper

[East Lancs Rain]

6 hours ago, SussexSnowman said:

Ooooh what's that outside my window?? More chuffing rain! Seriously someone invent those satellites like in that film Geostorm so we can turn off that poxy atlantic guff. 

Or better yet, how about putting a giant glass dome over the country like they did in the Simpsons movie? Sure, we might have to drill in some holes to at least allow some rain in to stop every tree from dying, and sunny days in summer would turn the country into a greenhouse, but at least it would be drier…

 

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4 hours ago, markyo said:

We certainly need a Beast from the East. Its not looking good, i do over a thousand miles a week and the state of the ground is shocking everywhere, mild weather is the last thing we need, frost is needed and dry conditions

That’s just not going to happen… There’s probably more chance of Elvis Presley coming back than getting another BFTE now… But the milder and sunnier it is, the faster the ground will dry up. High pressure centrally located over the country in March should deliver some very pleasant conditions of around 10-15°C and sunny during the day, with some frosty nights, especially in rural spots.

[Asher]

 Norrance it is good at killing disease and possibly some of the pests pressure. Worms break the soil when they dive for warmth, possibly as a result of the frost. Skeptical of the frost doing much to directly to the soil. 

 

In the US it's a different story, frost line there is a good 30+cm in a lot of places.

[Norrance]

 Asher The frost itself breaks up the soil as it melts. 

[Asher]

 Norrance the top 2cm should be loose enough anyway. 

Regardless I'm not too bothered either way, I want frost for the pest and disease pressure to diminish. 

[East Lancs Rain]

12 hours ago, SunnyG said:

Is that someone from the mod thread?

I dunno but he posts on the moans thread now and again. He actually moans about getting too much snow in winter!

[SunnyG]

 Wold Topper Finally some good old common sense.

[WYorksWeather]

 SunSean You don't have to respond to comments and/or threads that discuss climate change if you don't want to. But to many of us on here, not discussing it is ignoring the proverbial elephant in the room.

There is a major difference between opinions and facts. Everyone has a right to their own opinion on subjective matters, but people are always going to correct incorrect factual statements about the weather / climate. That's just the way it is.

It is a fact that global temperatures are the highest they have been in the instrumental record. It is a fact that snow and ice are, with some ups and downs, clearly in decline over Europe at any timescale longer than a few years. It is a fact that local to the UK, our climate has warmed substantially over the past 50 years or so, with significant declines in notable cold and huge increases in notable heat.

I'm about as confident in those statements as I am that Saturday follows Friday. The evidence is utterly incontrovertible.

 

 

 

[SunnyG]

Just out of curiosity, when are the mod people gonna stop chasing that cold spell? Do they have a cut off time or do they go on indefinitely?

[WYorksWeather]

 SunnyG I stopped in mid-February.

I just don't see the point - there's no cold available. The NH cold pool is about where it would normally be in mid-March.

The GFS 18z even shows a mean easterly or even ENE for early March, but it has absolutely no cold bite to it, there's just nothing there to work with.

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 markyo I see where your coming from ...

[Wold Topper]

 Norrance might be ok for a Gardner, hardly relevant when you have 1200 acres to plough with 6 slipe reversable and 300hp borking down in every wet hole, a light frost ain't gonna really make alot of difference!

Edited February 24 by Wold Topper
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[stainesbloke]

Yet more rain here overnight, the ground is totally sodden. Temperatures way above average, too. Not been much sunshine which makes it all very depressing, but today might actually see some blue sky. Yippee  

[lawrenk]

Had what could be described as “nearly a frost” this morning.

This Winter 23/24 just keeps on giving.

[markyo]

9 hours ago, SunnyG said:

Just out of curiosity, when are the mod people gonna stop chasing that cold spell? Do they have a cut off time or do they go on indefinitely

Just like they do in late August for those seeking heat then......

[SunnyG]

 markyo  We had a heatwave last September didn't we? So there's way more probability of heat after August that there is of snow after February

[Summer8906]

There was actually a real frost here last night.

Fortuitously in this respect, a clear spell co-incided with the hours of darkness, something more typical of spring or summer.

Became cloudy shortly after sunrise and heavy showers since.

With a further spell of prolonged perhaps heavy rain tomorrow and more rain during the week, I strongly suspect this month will be wetter than February 2020 here. (What's the record incidentally - is it 2020?)

With southerly-tracking and rather slow-moving lows and spells of prolonged heavy frontal rainfall, it resembles more an autumn month than a winter month. This kind of rainfall is much more reminiscent of October and November than late winter, which is more usually typified by faster-moving and weaker frontal systems.

[Buzz]

This sodding weather is almost relentless. Yes, we may get the odd 'nicer' day like today but on the whole it's just damp, grey and thoroughly miserable. What happened to areas of high pressure in Winter that sat over the UK for at least a few days, maybe a week, and gave dry, settled weather and wall to wall sunshine? Now all we get is a diving jet stream and low after low after low ..........

There, that's my moan for the day.

[Atmogenic]

*wakes up this morning and sees beautiful blue skies with a few clouds* omg finally some nice weather   *checks radar* oh please rain go the f away we had enough of you 

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Not surprising 

 

 

[WYorksWeather]

Slightly encouraged by the fact that we keep seeing model runs and increasingly ensembles hinting at higher pressure for around day 10 at the moment. We may yet get a more noticeable interruption from the constant rain.

 

[markyo]

2 hours ago, SunnyG said:

We had a heatwave last September didn't we? So there's way more probability of heat after August that there is of snow after February

But you allude to the fact there is still a probability though....or March 2018 was a lovely dream then?

 

[SollyOlly]

Yes @SunnyG, we know, you heat-lovers are spoiled and we coldies get nothing...we know it...!  

[East Lancs Rain]

5 hours ago, SunnyG said:

We had a heatwave last September didn't we? So there's way more probability of heat after August that there is of snow after February

It can snow as late as late  April in the UK, there’s still plenty of time…

 

On 23/02/2024 at 05:57, markyo said:

We need the cold desperately, ask any arable farmer, the water logged fields need a good freeze to help with the breaking up of the clag most  are faced with, dry yes needed but not mild. Nature also needs the reset of the weather, this mild Winter is detrimental, not a positive.

You were doom-mongering about the lack of rain in September 2022, arguing with people who were wanting an Indian summer..  Now you are arguing with people who want a nice warm and sunny Spring, saying we are all doomed if we don’t get a dry and cold spell of weather… Did we all die due to lack of water in 2022? No. The reservoirs were replenished. Just like the ground will eventually dry out now.. The weather always balances itself out. Give it a few months and they will be bleating on about lack of water and hose pipe bans…
 

On 30/09/2022 at 17:26, markyo said:

What a fantastic day of so much needed rain, months of this is required. Really starting to get a very bad feeling that folk have no idea how bad the water situation is. Last thing we need now is an Indian summer! Just take a look at the stock levels, never seen it so bad.

On 30/09/2022 at 18:59, markyo said:

More than a couple of days!!!!! Take a drive over the Woodhead Pass, the main set of reservoirs for a huge population are the Crowden set, they are near empty. We will be in a lot of trouble if the Autumn and Winter are dry, to many folk aren't grasping this yet.

On 30/09/2022 at 17:46, markyo said:

Right I'm going to be honest, nothing to do with preferences or whatever. The Pennie chains are virtually empty, the areas i have been in southern counties not much better, a dry Autumn and Winter will result in massive issues, that is blatantly obvious. We need rain, a lot of rain, a repeat of this Summer would be catastrophic if not, stand pipes, failed crops etc. I get what your saying, some folk like yourself struggle due to SAD, i have reverse SAD so understand but the fact is we need water. We are at less than 30% currently in a lot of areas.