Froze were the Days

Looking at that ecm 12z from start to finish it's about as exciting as a box set of Panorama

This certainly differs (MeteoGroup) from the MetO forecast going into fairly late November/early December....have to say this looks very disheartening but early days.

Haven't the MetO been talking about colder than normal temps with short lived mild interludes for the last couple of weeks into November?...and as we approach that period it looks largely the opposite...so I'll take what there saying for the back end of November with a large pinch of salt.

Woeful op runs from the ecm and GFS and have continued to be so for the last few days...best the country can muster in the next week/10 days is the odd day of returning Pm from the west or south west - says it all!

Hahahaha!!...just heard Darren Bett present the BBC lunch time forecast and finished off by saying next week looks like being milder and frost free (as if we've been inundated with frost this autumn) and said 'which will be nice'...now is it me with all the hoo haa about rising global and UK temperatures today in the news that he should not be sharing his own personal preferences with us?... as he's seems to do since he's been a presenter at the BBC.

Nothing to get excited about in general looking at both GFS and ECM...love to see the fabled foggy high appear this month but they seem to be as rare as hen's teeth!

yuck!...what a dreadful day, had about 15mm of rain (the most for ages we've had in a day), can't stand it when we get these slow moving fronts that get stuck over us, blame that bloody high pressure over western Russia

They've largely being saying roughly the same thing for the last week or so but for the foreseeable looks rather changeable but normal to mild temperatures not colder than normal with shorter mild interludes...

A month of 2 halves, mildish front and colder back...so 7.6c

Last year: (Essex) Winter 2017/18 November: Average December: Average, mixed conditions, brief snow January: Mild February: Cool thanks to a very cold end and snow (SSW) Shows you just by going from the post above on our tiny Isle how areas vary...

and then disappear later next week...all a bit of a struggle currently

That there is a bit of a back track in my opinion...for a week or so they've been saying temps largely colder than average as we approach the end of October (with brief milder interludes) but the low confidence element has now come in. Models look like there firming up on another mild/warm spell after this cold snap...

from 5% to 10%

really!?!...Moscow yesterday was 16c so not sure how that was the case, at least there looks like some increases now over eastern Siberia.

Here are some of Accuweather's recent winter forecasts...make of them what you will.

Cold November 2017?...yet again if going by the 'mild' 1981-2010 series it was near normal, if you run the 1961-90 series (which so many of us have been accustomed to) then it was fractionally on the mild side.

Well without going into last winter too much rather than this one December was a 'mixed' month and indeed there were some snowy snaps though not really noteworthy and fleeting, last January though was a big no no, the further south you lived the worse it was (nearly 2c above normal here in the south east) which surprised me the MetO anomaly chart for the winter was near normal in these parts but maybe that's the difference between the 1961-90 and 1981-2010 stats! By the way I should think 1981-82 you would have seen more snow as well...I remember the Queen being stuck on a train in east Wales in December 81' in drifts.

'Wet and Chilly' as regards to Accuweather forecast for Poland into Norway and Sweden!?!, well if that's the case it won't be wet as anything that falls from the sky is likely to be snow in those countries. Fortunately their track record isn't that 'Accu'rate. re: @ Netweather feature on why there is so many freezing winter headlines - I thought last winter came out average over most of England (slightly milder where I live due to the mild January) but undoubtedly would have been slightly milder going by the 1961-90 stats.

nope couldn't find one ...I think they need to re-design their website!

Gotta laugh at the model thread and a few posters with their 'interpretations' of the rest of this months weather, a week back a few members saying that the second half of the month would be more seasonal (what ever that means) and a day or so ago we were looking at the last 10 days for a colder phase and hey presto today now the last few days - at this rate write the month off ECM very stooge like if your looking for anything remotely chilly in the next couple of weeks with heights as we all know and have experienced since May never too far away...sun trying to come out again as I type, I wonder what sunshine totals are like in our part of the world? they must be way above.

22.5c currently...not to be scoffed at in mid-August

You might be waiting sometime Tom...other than brief Pm interludes with HP close to the south west (like we have experienced at times in September) heights never seem to disappear from the south for the foreseeable. It's all rather frustrating, I like seasons to be seasons.

backtracking like they did last year...

I'll believe it when I see it re: high pressure shifting westwards.

Day 10 on the ecm 0z before anything appreciably cooler (in the south) with high pressure still noticeable to the south in the run...it seems impossible to shift heights from the south or south east with only brief pm interludes...depressing stuff. GFS 0z isn't much better.