Jane Louise

Happy Christmas to all on Netweather.

A very dense fog here across the fields, a very eerie feel with it too . My weather station is showing a temp of -1.7c but it feels so much colder than that. Brrrrrr

We have a Blue tit and Great tit roosting in both my camera nest boxes since September. In the garden we have, 10 Blackbirds, several Fieldfare, a Black Cap ( the Black cap started coming in on Friday he loves the fruit cake I put out for him.) We have flocks of Sparrows and Starlings galore flying in from the fields. I seen a Yellow Hammer yesterday in the hedge across the road from the farm. We also have a few Robins,Wrens.Buzzards,Kestrels, loads of Blue and Great tits,a Greater Spotted Woodpecker who eats from our window feeder, a male and female Chaffinch, a few Green finches and Gold finches. I'm now awaiting the Waxwings.Oh, how i'd love to see one of those.

Locking this thread now. New thread here folks .

Ok new thread here folks. Fingers crossed for your perfect winter and plenty of snow.

Flooded here. I live on open farm land. Fields , roads are like rivers and my garden and driveway! This is from our local Gloucestershire news. 11.48am: Reports of flooding in parts of Woodmancote including Park Homes, off Station Road. 11.44am: Gloucester City v Colwyn Bay has been called off due to a waterlogged pitch. 11.40am: Reports that there are some surface water problems in Stoke Orchard and routes between Lydney and Chepstow are also problematic. 11.33am Hartpury School closed due to localised flooding. 11.19am: Stroud Road in Gloucester is now shut to due to surface water and cars stranded at Brookthorpe with Whaddon. 11.15am: Weather reports indicate the flooding could get worse today as the rain is expected to persist for most of the day and more expected tomorrow. 11.12am: A flood warning has been issued for the River Chelt at Charlton Kings. Meanwhile Environment Agency staff are checking the gauges at Bridgend at Stonehouse. 10.51am A pump is being brought in to tackle surface water in Cypress Gardens in Longlevens. The area has undergone massive flood prevention work since the deluge in 2007 but reports are it is surface water only. Residents in Up Hatherley, Cheltenham, have also called in reporting large pools of surface water flooding in Windermere Road. Prestbury Road, in Cheltenham, is also completely covered in surface water. Watery Lane in Upton St Leonards is also covered. The Whitecroft to Lydney Road near the Dean Forest Railway is flooded. Street Wardens there think some vehicles may struggle to get through. 10.45am: Two schools at Dursley, has closed due to bad weather. The Greenfield Academy, in Barton, and the Peak Academy in the town have shut due to flooding in the area. The Didbrook site of Isbourne Valley School at Cheltenham is also closed. Moat Primary School, in Matson, is also shut due to flooding. River Lyd and Cinderford Brook are also on flood alert. There also reports of no trains between Gloucester and Bristol and Newport due to flooding. It comes as drivers are being warned to take extra care on the roads after heavy rain has caused problems with surface water. Police are urging drivers to go slow and take care on the A417 between Hartpury and Maisemore as the route is only passable in the middle of the road. By 10am: Shurdington Road by the Bell pub, was also affected and Lobleys Drive in Gloucester is also closed due to flooding. Flooding on Brockworth Road between Barrow Hill and Court Road has also been reported. Reported areas with surface water include the C&G roundabout at Barnwood and the B40088 at Standish is also affected. The A48 in the Forest of Dean also had problems particularly at Chaxhill after the sustained rain fell on already sodden ground. There is also a lot of surface water outside Quedgeley police station. All the lanes around Hardwicke, on the edge of Gloucester, are also passable but one driver said: "With the surface water and the dark, drivers need to take care this morning." Estcourt Road in the city was also down to one lane. The road to the Cheltenham Racecourse was also very bad at about 7am today. It comes as there were major problems for commuters on their way home last night following an accident on the A40. Massive tailbacks were encountered along the Golden Valley and beyond as a result. Meanwhile there were problems at Cheltenham railway station after reports of a broken down train are causing problems for some Cross Country trains. Here is the live flood map for the Environment Agency: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/142151.aspx Do you have pictures of the bad weather, send to citizen.news@glosmedia.co.uk or echo.news@glosmedia.co.uk For more details of the forecast visit our weather pages. http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Drivers-face-problems-roads-bad-weather/story-17379870-detail/story.html

Was quite dense here earlier especially across the fields. Starting to clear slowly now.

AWD, I will try not to take that seriously but it'll be great if it does happen.Best we wait until nearer the time to see if this comes off.

Welcome to NW Aiden. Enjoy your stay.

Inside the Mystery of 'Thundersnow' It was an afternoon eight years ago that David Schultz will never forget. Snowflakes were falling down as big chunks and bolts of light flashed through the snow-whitened sky. Then there was the sound of strangely muted thunder. "It was a muffled rumble," remembered Schultz, who was then a graduate student in Albany, N.Y., and is now a meteorologist at NOAA's Severe Storms Laboratory in Norman, Okla. "It was brilliant." So-called thundersnows are rare events that feature thunder, lightning and heavy snowfall. Despite their drama — but perhaps because of their infrequency — very little is known about them. Schultz is one of the few U.S. meteorologists to have investigated the storms and now another researcher, Patrick Market of the University of Missouri in Columbia, hopes to learn more. Market recently received a $460,000 grant from the National Science Foundation to find out how often the storms occur and why. "The thunder and lightning are the attention grabbers," Market said. "But they are really symptoms of a larger issue — sometimes these storms can generate an awful lot of snow over a small area." Muted by Snow Case in point: In January 1994, a huge storm deluged Louisville, Ky., in about two feet of snow. People throughout the city recalled seeing flashes of light and growls of thunder. A similar storm struck Columbia, Mo, a year later. Thundersnow storms are more common in the Great Lakes region and in the mountains, but remain rare even there. Schultz has estimated that only 0.07 percent of recorded snowstorms are associated with thunder. And, among thunderstorms, only 1.3 percent of these storms in cool seasons feature snow. Part of the problem may lie in documenting the storms. Shultz points out that heavy snow has a way of obscuring sound and light — the telltale signs of a thundersnow. "Where you might hear a regular thunderstorm from four to five miles away, you may not hear or see a thundersnow from a mile away," he said. Despite the spotty record on the storms, ancient texts prove people have been witnessing them for centuries. Descriptions of the events date to at least as early as the 19th century in Western literature, says Schultz. And Chinese texts dating to 1099 A.D. reveal that Chinese warriors believed the storms were precursors to an enemy attack. Thundersnows may have seemed mystical in earlier centuries, but now scientists understand a mix of warm air and moisture are required to brew them. Churning Charges As a storm cloud gathers up warmer air (such as air over a lake or ocean surface), the air rises in the cloud's structure and creates a churning of air masses within the cloud. This turbulence mixes snow crystals and supercooled water droplets in the cloud and the turbulence knocks off electrons from the water particles, causing positive and negative charges in the cloud to separate. The negative charges collect at the base of the cloud and are attracted to positive charges either on the ground or in nearby clouds. As the negative charges rush toward the positive charges, the positive charges rise and meet them and this creates a bolt of lightning. The lightning heats the air to about 50,000 degrees Fahrenheit, causing the air to quickly expand. The air then cools and contracts, creating a "clap" of thunder. Read more here : http://abcnews.go.co...id=99629&page=2

Obviously some aint going to believe in weather lore and it's each to their own I suppose.Oh well , back to the original topic discussion.

Why, no!!! maybe if more people were to read into weather folklore they may have more of an understanding don't you think!!

I say,believe what you want regards nature foretelling us what seasonal weather will bring. I for one believe in some weather lore.After all some of the ancients and old farmers did prove right. But not all is true !! Anyway, let's get back on topic......

Can we please cut out the talk of other trolls on other forums after all this thread is about winter!! If you want to discuss other trolls please PM each other and keep this thread on topic!!

Barry, did you not read what I said! anymore and I will delete your nonsense posts!!

Ok new thread here! and please keep on topic! Locking this one now. http://forum.netweather.tv/topic/74783-winter-201213-pt-5-expectations-hopes-and-wishes/

Carry on here folks and please keep on topic or any useless and silly posts will be deleted. Thanks

Come on folks, please stick to the thread title it's starting to get silly in here. Let's venture back to discussing what your thoughts are for the upcoming Winter?

Witnessed a small thunderstorm an hour ago whilst I was in the garden center.I couldn't hear much though as it was too damn noisy grrrrr.

Three rumbles of thunder here an hour ago!with blue sunny sky and no rain .

Here's a brand new thread for Autumn onwards and there's even a little potential for something tomorrow folks. . DISCUSSION British Isles, France A warm and moist maritime air mass is situated across the Atlantic west of the Bay of Biscay. This air mass is convectively mixed and is advected north-eastwards ahead of the approaching trough. Along the axis of warm air, a well-developed low-level trough is present and will move into France and the British Isles. At the surface, backing low-level winds are indicated by latest GFS model across southern France and the British Isles, leading to low-level convergence. A weak mid-level trough will also lead to some QG forcing. Daytime heating will result in weak instability across France. Instability over the British Isles is questionable, but elevated CAPE is likely given the well-mixed air mass. Given the lift along the trough axis and low-level convergence, at lead weak CAPE is likely. Together with CAPE and forcing, low-level vertical wind shear is expected to be around 10 m/s in the lowest km and low-level hodographs are rather large across the British Isles. Current thinking is that tornadoes can develop in this environment. Given the weak instability, chance of tornadoes seems to be too low for a level 1 forecast. Stronger storms may also produce excessive precipitation. Otherwise, severe storms are not expected across the Birtish Isles and France. http://www.estofex.org/

Hi Alex, Could you please enter your location in your profile settings.Thank you.

New thread here folks http://forum.netweather.tv/topic/74637-winter-2012-2013-part-3/ Locking this one now.

Carry on your discussion here folks. Here's hoping there's plenty of snow for us all this winter.

If October brings heavy frosts and cold winds, January and February will be mild. If Squirrels are scarce in Autumn,it indictates a cold winter. The first snow comes six weeks after the last thunderstorm in September. (there's hope for me then) If leaves do not fall before St.Martins, expect a cold winter. ( November 11th: St.Martins Day) If Michaelmas brings many acorns Christmas will cover the fields with snow. A dark Michaelmas,a light christmas If October moon comes without frost, expect no frost till the moon of November. Wind in the South West on St.Martins day There it will remain till February, and a mild witer will be had. A warm November is a sign of a bad winter to come.