But surely any snow within 6 days was unlikely anyway given the SSW was only today.
We really shouldnt be looking for any widespread snow for another 2/3 weeks given propogation time.
You will note that as we approach the reliable time frame the cold and snow is pushed back. Not a good sign.
When i said that yesterdays ECM was too fast i expected the change to a slower evolution today and i fully expect the 12z ECM to follow the GFS tonight.
I do think thr cold and snow will come just not as quick as some would like.
Im with Ian on this one. The ECM seems to quick for me. A couple of days ago the MJO was going no where in area 4/5 and suddenly has jumped forward to favourable phase 7/8.
Just seems to fast.
I'm not unduly worried about the MET update today. Things are still very much up in the air (pun intended) and it's only Thursday they will have the EC32 update overnight.
I think all hopes are now pinned on the SSW for the 6th. Of course it can take 2/3 weeks for any impact to come through which maybe why the models are currently poor.
On the other hand if the propogation is quick we may see a quick change in the output.
Another improvement in the GEFS today. The FI 0z had 2 cold runs, the 6z had 3/4 and tonights 12z had 5/6.
Baby steps, but maybe the pub run will give a cold Ops.
I notice a couple of very cold GFS ensembles at the very end of FI.
With Steve's possible target date for cold arriving around the 14th it will interesting to see if the colder members start to increase as we get nearer this date.
Well, with strat warming being the buzz term this Winter it couldnt pick a better time to show its trueworth given the very poor cold prospects.
It will certainly make for a learning experience watching the propogation over the next month.
As awful an output for cold as ever.
Whilst there are signs of a split vortex, it looks like a lobe will be setting up near Greenland which is never good.
Not writing off January but unless we see changes soon we might well be.
Steve, i think most are aware that a stratosphere warming event increases the chance of cold for the Uk but does not guarantee it.
That increased probability gives us something to work off at the very least.
It would be difficult for the azores high to influence with a negative AO.
A negative AO would push the jet stream further south which in turn would keep Azores high further south.
Sobering to note how negative the AO has been yet delivered nothing.
The AO is going very negative, only a matter of time before we can tap in surely.
Meanwhile it will be colder in the North and West with chances of snowfall. The biggest concern has to be the rainfall, its just going to keep coming.
Well tonights ECM was better for cold than the 0z so a small step in the right direction.
The GFS normally handles northerlies better, we will know soon enough.