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Model Output Discussion - moving into Winter


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With winter now almost upon us, the model thread is getting ever busier, and as such it's important to keep it on topic. So, please keep your posts to discussing the model output, and for more general winter weather chat please use the winter thread.  Or, head to the moans and ramps thread.

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  • Location: Nr Chelmsford, Essex
  • Weather Preferences: Hurricanes, Thunderstorms and blizzards please!
  • Location: Nr Chelmsford, Essex

GFS and UKMO at 144

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No split vortex on the UKMO at this stage.  Both decent looking charts but I think I'd prefer the GFS

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  • Location: Near Gouda, Holland. 6m Below Sea Level.
  • Weather Preferences: Sun, snow, ice. Very hot or very cold.
  • Location: Near Gouda, Holland. 6m Below Sea Level.

I like this trough moving in from the Northeast.
That one could provide the CAA we lacked before.

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  • Location: Burton-on-Trent (90m), Larnaka most Augusts
  • Location: Burton-on-Trent (90m), Larnaka most Augusts

Azores high gets reinforcements from another ridge from Canada. Would think all roads lead to Greenland from here, but it's never that simple.

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  • Location: Bournemouth
  • Weather Preferences: Dry mild or snow winter. Hot and humid summer.
  • Location: Bournemouth

That’s upped the interest even more.  To add to why I think this is the position of the high to the ne. Imo this would be better than what gfs is showing. 

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  • Location: Bexhill-on-sea, East Sussex (11.8M ASL)
  • Weather Preferences: Thunderstorms, snow, and wind storms
  • Location: Bexhill-on-sea, East Sussex (11.8M ASL)
Just now, January Snowstorm said:

The silence says it all really.

Scandi high heads for Greenland and yet uppers are poor and don't deliver!! Dream synoptics and we'll be lucky to get a frost out of it lol

That Iberian low isn't doing us any favors it seems... Too deep and it continually cuts off the potential Easterly. Hopefully a small scale feature that's being overdone by the GFS, and will get resolved nearer the time?

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  • Location: Burton-on-Trent (90m), Larnaka most Augusts
  • Location: Burton-on-Trent (90m), Larnaka most Augusts

Just not cold enough. Scandi high uselessly sticks around far too long, no low pressure to advect cold into our region.

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  • Location: Reigate Hill
  • Weather Preferences: Anything
  • Location: Reigate Hill

Frustrating run this 12Z, though likely to be different next run, it highlights that even with a great "cold" pattern, the UK can miss the early fun. From D7-D11, the block is strong and UK caught for 4 days awaiting the pattern to change:

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For eastern Europe, a stunning cold spell of uppers, but UK just average 850s.

Not in my Top 5 of recent runs and one for the bin.

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  • Location: Runcorn
  • Weather Preferences: SNOWWWWWWWW
  • Location: Runcorn

Frustrating because there’s such depth of cold to our north and our east yet one little thing going wrong ruins the whole thing. Onto the ECM.

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  • Location: Nr Chelmsford, Essex
  • Weather Preferences: Hurricanes, Thunderstorms and blizzards please!
  • Location: Nr Chelmsford, Essex

Yep, overall a frustrating run with very little going on for our corner of the globe.  As I mentioned earlier, the placement and orientation of the highs are going to be crucial in deciding the direction of travel.  We may well get some late run shenanigans looking at the 276, but it will be different on the next run so not to be taken seriously

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  • Location: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, frost and snow
  • Location: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk

Really frustrating run this from GFS, so much potential there yet just not falling into place. Feels like missing an open goal with such synoptics.

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  • Location: Burton-on-Trent (90m), Larnaka most Augusts
  • Location: Burton-on-Trent (90m), Larnaka most Augusts
4 minutes ago, Frostbite80 said:

Whats the bets its a warm outlier and everyone relaxes until the next warm outlier....perspective peeps the overall trend is our friend.

No cold to our east has been fairly consistent though. There is such a thing as too much vortex disruption. Entire Europe and Northwest Asia being clear of it, nothing to transfer the cold to the UK.

 

Edit: The cold bearing low finally gets here on the 9th, but that's an entire week of hoping and praying nothing spoils the pattern since the block setting in on the 2nd.

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  • Location: Reigate Hill
  • Weather Preferences: Anything
  • Location: Reigate Hill

I am being greedy, as I know we could, if we get that trigger low, get the cold in around D8. Instead this is a slow burner, with D12 showing the consensus of the mean for the Asian tPV to realign towards Europe and hopefully drop:

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Synoptics like this want to be cashed in and still plenty of time for the earlier cold uppers.

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  • Location: Swineshead, Lincolnshire
  • Location: Swineshead, Lincolnshire

Looks pretty damn cold to the north and east to me, this run just doesnt tap into any of it?

Just now, Snowy L said:

No cold to our east has been fairly consistent though. There is such a thing as too much vortex disruption. Entire Europe and Northwest Asia being clear of it, nothing to transfer the cold to the UK.

 

 

 

 

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  • Location: Longton, Stoke-on-Trent.
  • Location: Longton, Stoke-on-Trent.
1 minute ago, Snowy L said:

No cold to our east has been fairly consistent though. There is such a thing as too much vortex disruption. Entire Europe and Northwest Asia being clear of it, nothing to transfer the cold to the UK.

Yep. There’s have never been anything to suggest significant cold despite the excitement on here.

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