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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
The coldest GFS ensemble ( For east kent ) is -18.8c @T183 & 186... ( this is the 180 chart ) Thats only 1c less than 12 1987.... the max that day was -7c in the SE -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
now look at that clustering at day 10/11/12 - Thats a good grouping indicating the iberian low slides east... -
SE and East Anglia general weather discussion 11/02/2018 onwards
SMU replied to Captain Shortwave's topic in Regional
No, although of course the further west you go the weather becomes slightly more broken-- -
SE and East Anglia general weather discussion 11/02/2018 onwards
SMU replied to Captain Shortwave's topic in Regional
The PM Models thus far have been great with the GFS mean down to -14c for Kent If we end up with this flow for 60-70 hours Then many will AVERAGE between 0.5 & 1cm per hour ... but remember the flow needs to stay at this optimal angle EENE not ESE... S -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
MEAN IS @-14 on 12z !!!!!!!!! 162 -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Just comparing mean V mean 06 v 12z - the 12z has substantially colder air to the east ( around -4c ) at 150/156 -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Yes 1987 was approx 492 in Dover... -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
The easterly is coming - its to confirm the upper air cold pool is following ( those timelines ) The movement in our direction of upper air cold pool is at 120-144 so weds overnight will be 84 & 108 - by the confidence above 80% ish - currently 50/60% to the good! -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
GEFS mean @ 72 & 96- If we are here tomorrow @48 & 72 with identical charts then were all but home & dry... Still another 24-36 hours of nerves - so maybe wait for the weds 00z ( 36 & 60 charts ) to confirm - we can then raise the excitement levels by saying when not IF... S -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
All the 12z models have reduced the size of the 'cone' of variability with the deep easterlies starting @120 & the deep cold about 24-30 hours behind Stella runs already -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
I think thats a bit of a simplistic generalisation - Most regulars on here watch most runs - you then have people have the watch & scrutinise every frame of every run across the board - & based on this the consensus is the ECM ***FEELS*** to far south-? but if course yes could be correct why? * Overwhelming mode consensus is against the ECM * The EPS/GEFS means are also against the ECM operational * The ECM ops 'form' has been progressive & poor on the run into this evolution indicating that continued progressive bias may be inherent in the operational best S -
SE and East Anglia general weather discussion 11/02/2018 onwards
SMU replied to Captain Shortwave's topic in Regional
Yess back on M25 territory & home for 1 day - off to marrakech tomorrow ! The models are in pretty much solid agreement - although the ECM just unsettles the apple cart slightly- There cold be some snow flurries this week thurs / Fri then dry again as the winds drop SE for a day- The invasion of the cold is predicted overnight Sat- Im back sat 11:40 PM - but have free wifi so will be online following developments- Current ENS mean for he SE is -12c although many get to -14c line- so spectacular for late winter- If I was to stab at when *Potentially* our best window is - it would be Sun DAY - out till Tues - then post that we need a few more days modelling to see what the flow looks like in terms of any waves coming out lf the continent or Iberia... S -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
yes - its obviously in the mix & what makes it worse is the blocking / synoptics on the ECM is equally as superb from a backdrop perspective - but just shows the fine lines we operate in... S -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Another decent move this morning- The 06z Aperge moves more to the GFS amplified solution early doors- With this being a unique evolution the historic form book is a little 'thrown out the window' - GFS seemingly feeling the love & consistency the most with UKMO / JMA not far behind - ECM been a bit volatile... Great model viewing ATM- S -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
morning - Once again the IKON / ECM pairing are a little out of kilter with the UKMO / GFS etc- Every time this has happened in the last week or so following this evolution - the ECM / IKON have tracked back to the more amplified solution- 06z IKON looks a lot better - with my limited viewing time today -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
All main overnight models are actually as closely alligned as ever tonight - just with a slight delay of the cold back to 144 onwards- However a true beast on GFS / GEM - Nearly -20 ! These runs would bring epic amounts of snow - Lets hope those nagging doubts are put to bed in the next 24 hours... -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
look At the cold & PPN from 156 -264 106 hours of sub -10 air & masses of snow with no end in sight! &faux 1085 MB over greenland @264 -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Todays 12z JMA !!!! -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
-12 for ice days. ( maybe -11 ) with no snowcover to start with... -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
shall we clarify -10 to -12 deep cold sub -12 severe cold ???? there is of course no technical definition! good correction west on the IKON of the atlantic shortwave interferring less on the block c -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
having reviewed the ECM its quite progressive with that shortwave SE of Iceland - which I think I highlighted earlier on the IKON run- That said the operational ECM has been volatile lately - the run in to this evolution is a typical example before correcting back to the more amplified pattern plus the GFS / ECM mean looks a lot more healthy- even the ECM op is progressive on the retrograde so what you see at day 10 ECM is more likely to be the day 12 or 13 solution... best s