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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
if we have -11/-12/-13 air with low heights then its a snow maker !! heights below 540 DAM or better ECM 240 for london has -15c + 530 Heights & 515 DAM ( approx ) = huge snow showers -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Remember the rough lapse rates from 850 temps at this time of year are +11/+12 so on day 10 of ECM looking at -2/-3 maxima in heavy snow showers !!! -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
for me I need the UKMO on board & a return to the ECM evolution as UKMO has wiped out the ECM @ ENS suite before ! -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
sorry 1 more post the mean of the 06z has moved ( in the atlantic ) quite a way to the ECM with the jet alligned NE not SE 06z on the right with the low amplitude easterly flow -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Last one from me then im off till later !! JMA 06z to 84 !! DEBILT T2Ms ( yes thats -3 Max at day 10) & wind direction enjoy the lovely weather today ! -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
So side by side is the Aperge jet 102 v the 06z 96 We can see its not much of a leap of faith to remove that eastward bias of the GFS on the right!!! Roll on the PM runs ... -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Thats the azores not the canaries -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
The GFS by 132 is totally different just because of the early changes... As said small steps - This evolution is based on split energy with focus on energy moving SSE - not GFS strongpoint... -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Well T102 the GFS has gone pretty much half way to the ECM- we need another leap on the 12z as well !!! -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
so even though the evolutions end up very different the diversity is pretty simple & around T96 The mild solutions have the jet moving East through the scandi heights @96, where as ECM / Aperge has split energy going North & south @96 allowing blocking to build- Middle ground = a UK high/ tame SE flow lets hope we dont go there!!! -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Morning All The ECM is amazing - The UKMO is dreadful- what do you pick? What a dilema, - I think in all honesty the models have beaten us here... No point in really making a forecast - both models could be correct as both are plausable outcomes... Could there be a middle ground ? not sure about that- -14c at 216 -Todays run becomes the new 'That ECM' @That ECM -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Yes - The 12z did start it but the 18z has continued it- it just shows how bad the GFS is at resolving energy when its still making largish errors @96... Its all been said yesterday etc & today, I think it was just the flip from the UKMO that roughed me up earlier - but every model has an occasional blip! Counting down my return from hols -T216 !! -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
mean is about 2c max - -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
ECM mean pans out more or less identical to the operational with a better swing to that initial trigger low - The only model to come out unscathed so far is the IKON lol... -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
well If you gave it a bit of leeway here & there yes 5% / 1/20.... -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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SE and East Anglia general weather discussion 11/02/2018 onwards
SMU replied to Captain Shortwave's topic in Regional
EXM 216 continues with the Easterly as the cold & height profiles build to the east- Interestingly its a chart that shows very low heights but with sufficient blocking its got no where to go-