mushymanrob

another quote ill throw back at you - would you settle for that in winter? if not, then stop moaning to people who would like warmer then average in summer... cuts both ways.

hope you follow that advice in winter when hopecasting is ten times worse... the gfs has no support, the noaa charts show a brisk upper flow, so theres no lengthy settled spell whilst thats in place.

not now according to the 00z gfs

late may 78 was hot may 80 was hot late may 82 was hot hmmm a pattern emerging here? at least those summers had a hot spell, albeit short lived , many summers in the last ten years (away from the southeast) have been very poor. 85 was not hot, and yep 86 wasnt very good either... the hottest day in 85 was oct 1st , the only day we got 25c.

the worst summer before modern times (last ten years or so) was 1985.. that type of summer seems pretty normal now.

strange isnt it?.... when i was at school (yes all those years ago) whilst augusts were not always hot dry and sunny, at least they were 'normal', with not too much wet stuff. august 2006 was a huge disappointment after the june and especially july. whilst not overly wet, it was dull, i remember being on here and commenting that some leaves on some trees were starting to bronze up. i also recall TEITS saying in early august that he thought it would be a poor august and thered be no more heat - he was scorned by some - but he was spot on.

.............. on the plus side we have enjoyed some cracking springs in the last ten odd years. we do have a lot of warm dry sunny spells now when springs used to be much more unsettled.

forgotten december 2010? or march 2013?

yep, a classic case of the azores high being the 'enemy of summer' , too far off to produce anything decent for us, and it also allows troughing nearby.

well its super duper for my job... id sooner it be cold then wet... i mean, this isnt at all pleasnt, you cant do anything outdoors. but summers over for me anyway, im just hoping next year is 'the' long hot summer we are loooooooooooonnng overdue

you will be thanking us in the future... youll see.

you cannot judge any month by temps alone... in this case augusts. some recent augusts might be recorded as 'above average' temp wise, but that could be because of higher overnight minima - and what matters how warm it is is its cloudy and wet overhead! for me, any august needs to be measured by - sunshine - temps - precipitation, and away from the southeast, augusts have been below par, well below in some cases.

theres a few stragglers here, but they arent in 'summer mode' (breeding) where they are chasing around screaming.. the northerlies midweek will certainly see the last of them plus its destroyed what was looking good for butterflies/moths.. humingbird hawkmoths and marbles whites have been migrating north when we were warm and dry.. how many more crap augusts must we endure?... its become the worst month of the year.

well thats it, i AM throwing in the towel for decent summer heat this year. swifts have gone lilies are over jasmine and buddliea about over nights drawing in lower level sun. oh well i did enjoy 11 days of 25c+ which is more then many recent summers, early too, i like heat in june.

surely the mean will downgrade though, thats 2 disastrous runs now off the gfs, the mean have to downgrade. if its any consolation, the anomaly charts dont allow for a trough dominated week, but then again these changes are happening before their timescale starts..

disagree with you there old chum. we have to wait an extra week for anything summery/hot, instead of the promised hot spell next weekend, we have low pressure to our near northeast feeding us showery and i suspect, often cloudy weather. the heat at the end of the run lasts less then the promised hot snap a week earlier. the 06z is not a nice run, for those of us wanting sunshine and warmth.

the gfs 06z doesnt want to play ball, well not until two weeks time.. its easy to dismiss this run because its not showing the warmer weather for 1 weeks time. but what all indications a few weeks ago suggested is that we were likely to get a lot of settled, anticyclonic weather - just look what happened, the gfs started to show spoilers that most of us ignored. we were wrong to ignore them then, it would be wrong to ignore an unfavourable gfs now.

i beg to differ sir.... surely they are gradually suggesting higher lows then previous runs and the 8-14 dayer whilst it might be flatlined, certainly isnt a trough dominated chart. or maybe im looking too hard for support for the pressure rise the ops are currently suggesting for late next week

its a pretty decent september day here so far.... ... oh wait.....

you prove my point sonny

not at all.... its the music forum i frequented mostly, where i ran a thread on rare 60's classics.

these charts are about as far away as they can get for a heat favouring evolution. its looking pretty much below average and a long long way from any sustained warm summery spell.

fair enough, and i shouldnt really suggest a direct comparison to the 'other site' as the people on there (digital spy) arent generally as reasonable as the membership here. i dont expect them to be changed either, but i just dont like them personally as i find them childish, its confetti for adolescent teens, not a useful tool for adults. anyway, thats just my pov, im not arguing, lol.

i hate the new reactions... they are childish and are already being used incorrectly or as a weapon... the laugh being used when theres nothing funny going on, no joke, its just a weapon to put someones post down. the post (by cheese in ramps/moans) was a perfectly normal post. ive seen this before on other forums. imho they add nothing to the site, but dumb it down to a modern hipster teenage image.

those of us who work outdoors would trade heat for dry anyday, assuming we couldnt have both! the dreadful outlook is set to continue with no improvement generally much before mid august.