Snow And Ice In The Northern Hemisphere 2011/12

[Aaron]

Hudson Bay is nearly completely frozen which is good as it did not completely freeze last winter til January

[cheeky_monkey]

Very green United States bar Montana, Utah, Colorado etc, - Eastern seaboard experiencing very mild conditions at present, (forecast was to be for a severe winter) - time for things to change though.

actually the eastern seaboard was forecast to have a mild winter the real cold was forecast for the west and mid west of the America and Canada...however it has been very mild across the whole of North America the last 2 months or so.

[Michael Fishermans Friend]

actually the eastern seaboard was forecast to have a mild winter the real cold was forecast for the west and mid west of the America and Canada...however it has been very mild across the whole of North America the last 2 months or so.

Really? I read somewhere that the East/North Eastern States were forecast to have a severe winter - probably one of numerous forecasts.

[Cymro]

Evening all!

Well here's today's update.

There's been some positive anomoly clawed back over the past couple of days, nice to see all that snow over Germany's way, good job they've got all our money to pay for the heating ehem!

What a stupid thing to say with all due respect, Germany has contributed and is a net contributer to the EU unlike the UK. if one nation has secured itself financially and doesnt go into debt and spend money that they don't have, it's Germany.

What a silly, ignorant and uneducated thing to say! Christmas spirit or not!

[Polar Maritime]

What a stupid thing to say with all due respect, Germany has contributed and is a net contributer to the EU unlike the UK. if one nation has secured itself financially and doesnt go into debt and spend money that they don't have, it's Germany.

What a silly, ignorant and uneducated thing to say! Christmas spirit or not!

Think Jeremy Clarkson...... Its a joke.

Merry Christmas everyone, here's hopeing a cold and snowy Feb/Jan !

[Never snows where i live]

What a stupid thing to say with all due respect, Germany has contributed and is a net contributer to the EU unlike the UK. if one nation has secured itself financially and doesnt go into debt and spend money that they don't have, it's Germany.

What a silly, ignorant and uneducated thing to say! Christmas spirit or not!

I hope for christmas you get a sense of humour.

[Ferreiro]

White Christmas?

Stockholm

Helsinki

Warsaw

White Christmas

Moscow

Minsk

Sofia

Reykjavik

[Aaron]

Not surprised by Moscow or Minsk, but I cannot believe Sofia has a white Christmas but Stockholm and Helsinki do not! Totally messed up..

[karyo]

Sofia is very cold during the winter months! It has a proper continental climate.

Karyo

[Aaron]

But Sofia is much warmer in winter then Stockholm or Helsinki, a December in Sofia is like a December in Braemar.

[Ferreiro]

But Sofia is much warmer in winter then Stockholm or Helsinki, a December in Sofia is like a December in Braemar.

You are partially wrong. Sofia is warmer than Stockholm but is colder than Braemar.

JANUARY AVERAGES 1961-1990

Braemar 0.7ºC (from Metoffice)

Sofia -1.3ºC (from WMO)

Stockholm -3ºC (from WMO)

December and February is the same.

Edited December 25, 2011 by Ferreiro

[Aaron]

December in Sofia is not much colder then in Braemar.. DECEMBER, not JANUARY.

[Ferreiro]

You are partially wrong. Sofia is warmer than Stockholm but is colder than Braemar.

JANUARY AVERAGES 1961-1990

Braemar 0.7ºC (from Metoffice)

Sofia -1.3ºC (from WMO)

Stockholm -3ºC (from WMO)

December and February is the same.

Second try. December Averages

Braemar (Metoffice) 1.75ºC

Sofia (WMO) 0.7ºC

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A difference of 1ºC on average is enough.

Edited December 25, 2011 by Ferreiro

[Isolated Frost]

Not surprised by Moscow or Minsk, but I cannot believe Sofia has a white Christmas but Stockholm and Helsinki do not! Totally messed up..

This happens often in situations like this. Mild Tm airmasses over southern scandi due to lows crashing northwards, and that persistent euro high... this also gives cold ne/e winds to much of se europe, delivering sea-effect snow for most.

A very typical pattern of the early 2000's and late 1990's, but it is indeed rather unlikely for Stockholm and Helsinki to not have a white xmas as such a pattern usually delivers the odd toppler or Pm blast.

[Aaron]

Second try. December Averages

Braemar (Metoffice) 1.75ºC

Sofia (WMO) 0.7ºC

.

A difference of 1ºC on average is enough.

They are very similar, never said identical.

Edited December 25, 2011 by Aaron

[Ferreiro]

This happens often in situations like this. Mild Tm airmasses over southern scandi due to lows crashing northwards, and that persistent euro high... this also gives cold ne/e winds to much of se europe, delivering sea-effect snow for most.

A very typical pattern of the early 2000's and late 1990's, but it is indeed rather unlikely for Stockholm and Helsinki to not have a white xmas as such a pattern usually delivers the odd toppler or Pm blast.

In fact the minimum temperature in december 2011 (so far) has been -3.5ºC in Stockholm (Bromma airport) versus -10.8ºC in Sofia.

Edited December 25, 2011 by Ferreiro

[Aaron]

Eek, that's ridiculous.!

[greybing]

But Sofia is much warmer in winter then Stockholm or Helsinki, a December in Sofia is like a December in Braemar.

I think this is what is known in some circles as weather[and its variability] :winky:

[Ferreiro]

In fact the minimum temperature in december 2011 (so far) has been -3.5ºC in Stockholm (Bromma airport) versus -10.8ºC in Sofia.

The last 30 days in Stockholm (Bromma airport), Min. temperature so far -3.5ºC

http://www.ogimet.co...&min=0&ndays=30

and the last 30 days in Sofia (Bulgaria), Min. temperature so far -10.8ºC

http://www.ogimet.co...&min=0&ndays=30

Personally I am not surprised, because many years Sofia records temperature lower than Stockholm.

The lowest temperature ever in Sofia was -31ºC versus - 32ºC in Stockholm. Almost the same.

There are people in this forum that ignores what the climate of Eastern Europe is.

Edited December 26, 2011 by Ferreiro

[Ferreiro]

A lot of snow in South-East Europe. Greece also has great surface with snow.

[Cecil Hogmanay Melchett]

europe is a landmass the furher east you go the colder it gets,north korea way to the east has freezing winters

[Ferreiro]

Yes, the Korean Peninsula is very cold in winter. Pyongyang in January is as Helsinki, and Seoul as Stockholm. Seoul has latitude corresponding to 37ºN, as Seville (Spain)!!!

Right now Seoul -14ºC

Edited December 26, 2011 by Ferreiro

[cheeky_monkey]

Not surprised by Moscow or Minsk, but I cannot believe Sofia has a white Christmas but Stockholm and Helsinki do not! Totally messed up..

Edmonton did not have a white xmas which is colder than all the places above i think...which is very rare indeed

[Ferreiro]

A lot of snow in the Southeast of Europe yet.

Snow in blue

Edited December 29, 2011 by Ferreiro

[cheeky_monkey]

A lot of snow in the Southeast of Europe yet.

Snow in blue

seems to be a real lack of snow right across the northern hemisphere right now europe is vitually snowless almost up to the volga even south finland is green....china has no snow niether does the US and Canada is way down on what it should be.