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Model output discussion - 5th December 2016 - Into Winter we go


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Wow so we have the first winter is over post 18 days in. for sure the models dont look to good at the moment. but it was only a few days ago they didnt look to bad, so plenty of time for things to change. we have been here before remember winters past when stella charts jumped up out of knowhere. sure the back ground signals have failed us this month but whats to say things can still shift to our favour.... if it was February 18th then maybe winter could be over... but not this early...

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks

see my edit

sorry

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  • Location: Netherlands close to the coast
  • Location: Netherlands close to the coast
7 minutes ago, More Snow said:

Wow so we have the first winter is over post 18 days in. for sure the models dont look to good at the moment. but it was only a few days ago they didnt look to bad, so plenty of time for things to change. we have been here before remember winters past when stella charts jumped up out of knowhere. sure the back ground signals have failed us this month but whats to say things can still shift to our favour.... if it was February 18th then maybe winter could be over... but not this early...

No hope first 192h and if the charts do get better it needs time for the cold to reach us, earliest possible cold after new year but then it's almost the coldest part of the year, so if it doesn't happen then little chance for good lasting snow

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  • Location: Nymburk, Czech Republic and Staines, UK
  • Weather Preferences: Sunny and warm in summer, thunderstorms, snow, fog, frost, squall lines
  • Location: Nymburk, Czech Republic and Staines, UK
1 minute ago, ArHu3 said:

No hope first 192h and if the charts do get better it needs time for the cold to reach us, earliest possible cold after new year but then it's almost the coldest part of the year, so if it doesn't happen then little chance for good lasting snow

Some of the best snowy and cold spells have occurred in February here in the SE, so plenty of time to go. 

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  • Location: Northwich south cheshire 35m or 114ft above sea le
  • Weather Preferences: snowy winters,warm summers and Storms
  • Location: Northwich south cheshire 35m or 114ft above sea le

Just going by this run some people may wake up to snow on the ground Christmas Day

With Christmas Eve seeing quite a few snow showers for Northern and western areas.

C.S

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  • Location: Crewe, Cheshire
  • Weather Preferences: Snow, storms and other extremes
  • Location: Crewe, Cheshire
Just now, radiohead said:

:help:

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Yep, looking very nasty again on this run. Widespread severe gales, storm force in more exposed locations.

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  • Location: HILL OF TARA IRELAND
  • Weather Preferences: SNOW ICE
  • Location: HILL OF TARA IRELAND
6 minutes ago, radiohead said:

:help:

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Snow showers on Xmas eve then it's mixed out later in the day then it returns Xmas day evening according to gfs12z:santa-emoji:

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  • Location: Birmingham 166m ASL
  • Location: Birmingham 166m ASL
5 minutes ago, snowice said:

Snow showers on Xmas eve then it's mixed out later in the day then it returns. Xmas day evening according to gfs12z

 

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Snow for Scotland and parts of Northern England in the early hours of Christmas Day too.

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  • Location: Manchester
  • Weather Preferences: Sunny and warm in the Summer, cold and snowy in the winter, simples!
  • Location: Manchester
5 minutes ago, CreweCold said:

Yep, looking very nasty again on this run. Widespread severe gales, storm force in more exposed locations.

The models do seem to be firming up on storm force winds over the Xmas period, judging by GFS 12z the potential is there for some very damaging conditions, more especially in the NW, but the other models backing up at least the prospect of widespread gales.

Hopefully, should it turn out anything like GFS12z , people get plenty of warning and get those Xmas lights and decorations that are outdoors down.

 

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  • Location: Tullynessle/Westhill
  • Weather Preferences: Cold and snowy or warm and dry
  • Location: Tullynessle/Westhill

Yep, nothing wintry showing in the reliable. 

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Nothing to see here, everyone move along please. 

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  • Location: Birmingham 166m ASL
  • Location: Birmingham 166m ASL
3 minutes ago, Ravelin said:

Yep, nothing wintry showing in the reliable. 

144-574UK.GIF?18-12

Nothing to see here, everyone move along please. 

6 hours later...

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Snow for pretty much the whole of the UK (Bar the far south)

BOOM!

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  • Location: Derby
  • Location: Derby
Just now, khodds said:

It's A WEEK away though.. surely we all know by now that it's unlikely to verify?! It's great to see but I really can't see it happening to be honest.. sorry

I think it will not happen as a week a away models chop and change each run. 

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  • Location: Birmingham 166m ASL
  • Location: Birmingham 166m ASL
5 minutes ago, khodds said:

It's A WEEK away though.. surely we all know by now that it's unlikely to verify?! It's great to see but I really can't see it happening to be honest.. sorry

Very true. Or the Synoptics showing on Christmas Eve could be pushed back 12 hours or so and that would bring a white Christmas for most of the UK.

Exciting times :D

But yeah models can and probably will change, but to see widespread snow at +150 hours isn't too shabby ;)

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  • Location: Work: Near Glasto Home: near Puriton
  • Weather Preferences: Hot and sunny or cold and snowy. Nothing inbetween.
  • Location: Work: Near Glasto Home: near Puriton
Just now, Kieran said:

Very true. Or the Synoptics showing on Christmas Eve could be pushed back 12 hours or so and that would bring a white Christmas for most of the UK.

Exciting times :D

 

It would be great if it did. But this is the GFS after all.. the ECM wasn't looking too rosy earlier today was it? (Can't remember the specifics) If that suddenly changes tact I'll start getting excited..

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  • Location: Tullynessle/Westhill
  • Weather Preferences: Cold and snowy or warm and dry
  • Location: Tullynessle/Westhill
3 minutes ago, khodds said:

It's A WEEK away though.. surely we all know by now that it's unlikely to verify?! It's great to see but I really can't see it happening to be honest.. sorry

Give me a good reason why not, not just a 'feeling' or 'default to mild'. The models have been showing transient cold, wintry periods from this mid week on for days. Yes they come and go, timings change etc but some are highly likely to see snow this week. Nothing spectacular I'll admit, but snow is snow. 

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