Summer 2023 chat

[TwisterGirl81]

I’m feeling a chill about me today, anyone else? I’m going to have a hot bath to try to warm up.

So glad we have some warmth and sun coming  

Edited September 1, 2023 by TwisterGirl81

[Blessed Weather]

If I may...... but as someone who has lived through all the summers during the period 1961-1990 I thought I would post this summer's anomalies versus the Met Office records for that period.

Sunshine duration anomalies for each of the 3 months compared with that period. Not bad at all for the eastern half of the country; either average or above average sunshine amounts:

And next the mean temperature anomalies. Not bad at all. Average or above average for the whole of the country for each of the summer months.

Seems to me that the Met Office habit of continually moving the goalpost so that current seasons are compared with more recent years (which we all know are being impacted by global warming) is maybe raising expectations for weather that never used to be the norm? Just a personal opinion.

[markyo]

1 hour ago, Sunny76 said:

Stop being overdramatic. The world didn’t burn lol.

Suspect you don't take much notice of a thing called .....News

[markyo]

1 hour ago, Sunny76 said:

It depends where you were in Europe. Not everywhere was baking hot. Iberia usually suffers from intense heat at times. 
 

Places like the Baltics, and other parts of Central Europe had a relatively warm summer, with a few storms here and there. 

Canada, central Pacific, South America, Mediterranean, North America, Central Asia.....all had record braking events. Heat records broken everywhere, over dramatic? No not at all.

Edited September 1, 2023 by markyo

[WheresTheSnow]

So who’s going to be correct this weekend, BBC Weather or Met Office?

Met Office has it being cloudy tomorrow & Sunday, whereas BBC has sunny intervals tomorrow & sunny on Sunday. 
 

The UKV this morning looked like broken cloud both days rather than thick cloud both days. 

[Cheshire Freeze]

10 minutes ago, markyo said:

Canada, central Pacific, South America, Mediterranean, North America, Central Asia.....all had record braking events. Heat records broken everywhere, over dramatic? No not at all.

Who needs stats mate when we've got anecdotal assurances from a random bloke in London.

Sorry @Sunny76 I do generally like your posts, honest! 

Edited September 1, 2023 by CreweCold

[seabreeze86]

8 minutes ago, Blessed Weather said:

If I may...... but as someone who has lived through all the summers during the period 1961-1990 I thought I would post this summer's anomalies versus the Met Office records for that period.

Sunshine duration anomalies for each of the 3 months compared with that period. Not bad at all for the eastern half of the country; either average or above average sunshine amounts:

And next the mean temperature anomalies. Not bad at all. Average or above average for the whole of the country for each of the summer months.

Seems to me that the Met Office habit of continually moving the goalpost so that current seasons are compared with more recent years (which we all know are being impacted by global warming) is maybe raising expectations for weather that never used to be the norm? Just a personal opinion.

I wasn’t alive during the majority of 61-90 period but if this summer was warmer than average here I’m glad I wasn’t because it’s been very poor especially July. We didn’t get the hot June the majority got and august had just been a month of nothingness really 

[MP-R]

3 hours ago, CreweCold said:

 

If someone gave me the option of a near record cold December followed by a mild, wet January and average February I’d bite their hand off for it.

That’s not far off what we had in winter 10/11, and that’s why I and many regard 09/10 as much better. All very well having a bone chilling December but the rest of the winter was pants.

Much better to have heat strewn out across the summer with cool periods interspersed along the way - not all and the nothing.

[Cheshire Freeze]

Just now, MP-R said:

That’s not far off what we had in winter 10/11, and that’s why I and many regard 09/10 as much better. All very well having a bone chilling December but the rest of the winter was pants.

Much better to have heat strewn out across the summer with cool periods interspersed along the way - not all and the nothing.

I don't know.

December 2010 was as close to perfection as I could wish for to be honest.

[seabreeze86]

Just now, CreweCold said:

I don't know.

December 2010 was as close to perfection as I could wish for to be honest.

I don’t think December 2010 will ever be beaten by far my favourite ever winter month 

[Cheshire Freeze]

Just now, seabreeze86 said:

I don’t think December 2010 will ever be beaten by far my favourite ever winter month 

Same...and we didn't have that much snow here.

I've never ever seen such stunning rime frosts coating the trees against a sparkling azure blue sky.

[Freeze]

1 hour ago, TwisterGirl81 said:

  

All it would have taken  was to have had an average June and the stats would have been terrible for summer, thankgod we at least got June 

But we didn't, we had an amazing June, hence the met office graphics over the 'whole' summer.

[Metwatch]

40 minutes ago, WheresTheSnow said:

So who’s going to be correct this weekend, BBC Weather or Met Office?

Met Office has it being cloudy tomorrow & Sunday, whereas BBC has sunny intervals tomorrow & sunny on Sunday. 
 

The UKV this morning looked like broken cloud both days rather than thick cloud both days. 

Sunny sunday with the latest UKV.

[NEVES SCREAMER]

Not really bothered about averages. All I need do is look at the sky and see billowing grey cool blustery rain clouds for most of July and much of August to make my mind up about how good summer has been.

 

[Weather-history]

Manchester Summer Index 

1976 301

1995 298

1983 278

1955 277

1911 274

2018 272

1984 271

1959 269

1975 268

1949 267

1989 262

2022 261

1947 255

1933 251

1901 249

1921 249

2003 247

1925 246

1996 245

1935 243

1994 240

1934 238

1940 238

2021 238

1941 236

1970 235

1969 234

1973 234 

1999 234

1997 232

1990 229

1917 228

1926 227

2005 224 

1905 223

1932 223

1945 223

1967 223

1977 223

1914 222

1992 222

1908 220

2023 217

 

June saved the summer

 

Edited September 1, 2023 by Weather-history

[MP-R]

37 minutes ago, CreweCold said:

I don't know.

December 2010 was as close to perfection as I could wish for to be honest.

It certainly was, but as we live in a country where three months of that is highly unlikely (same with heat), I’d take a 09/10 winter every time over 10/11 if it meant a good winter overall.

[B87]

34 minutes ago, CreweCold said:

Same...and we didn't have that much snow here.

I've never ever seen such stunning rime frosts coating the trees against a sparkling azure blue sky.

The sun barely made an appearance here in December 2010. 19 hours all month, Heathrow's dullest month on record.

[TwisterGirl81]

5 minutes ago, Freeze said:

But we didn't, we had an amazing June, hence the met office graphics over the 'whole' summer.

Exactly, it’s the only reason the overall stats aren’t showing just how dire it’s been since after June 

[Cheshire Freeze]

12 minutes ago, B87 said:

The sun barely made an appearance here in December 2010. 19 hours all month, Heathrow's dullest month on record.

It was the most stunning month here.

Edited September 1, 2023 by CreweCold

[Metwatch]

10 minutes ago, CreweCold said:

Found google street view of December 2010 in the city centre of Coventry, got that hoar frost or rime ice on trees too.

 

19th December 2010 another legendary day, -12c in the morning and nice cover of snow in B'ham.

Edited September 1, 2023 by Metwatch

[cheese]

4 hours ago, CreweCold said:

But what we’re people expecting? To get a solid 3 months of wall to wall summer is unicorn territory.

The sun shone in June at a time of peak daylight.

August has been far from a write off.

I just detect an undertone of ‘well we didn’t see 38c so it just won’t do’ and I had a feeling that’s all some were hankering after from the get go.

If someone gave me the option of a near record cold December followed by a mild, wet January and average February I’d bite their hand off for it.

I would rather have had June's weather in July and August. A hot June will quickly be forgotten if the rest of summer is mediocre. And yes the same principle applies in winter - that cold, snowy December in 2010 was a distant memory by the end of January. Most of the country saw hardly any snow at all after Christmas. Winter 2009/10 was overall better.

Edited September 1, 2023 by cheese

[Sunny76]

25 minutes ago, Weather-history said:

Manchester Summer Index 

1976 301

1995 298

1983 278

1955 277

1911 274

2018 272

1984 271

1959 269

1975 268

1949 267

1989 262

2022 261

1947 255

1933 251

1901 249

1921 249

2003 247

1925 246

1996 245

1935 243

1994 240

1934 238

1940 238

2021 238

1941 236

1970 235

1969 234

1973 234 

1999 234

1997 232

1990 229

1917 228

1926 227

2005 224 

1905 223

1932 223

1945 223

1967 223

1977 223

1914 222

1992 222

1908 220

2023 217

 

June saved the summer

 

2023 is way down.

5 minutes ago, cheese said:

I would rather have had June's weather in July and August. A hot June will quickly be forgotten if the rest of summer is mediocre. 

Yeah, as good as June was, it was forgotten by many by late July.

[Sunny76]

25 minutes ago, TwisterGirl81 said:

Exactly, it’s the only reason the overall stats aren’t showing just how dire it’s been since after June 

It’s tiring isn’t it, having to continuously go over it. They keep wheeling out the brilliant June.

It was nice, but it wasn’t enough to ‘save summer’ lol.

[cheese]

30 minutes ago, TwisterGirl81 said:

Exactly, it’s the only reason the overall stats aren’t showing just how dire it’s been since after June 

I don't know why we have to keep repeating this over and over again. It feels like certain people are being intentionally obtuse. 

Edited September 1, 2023 by cheese

[LetItSnow!]

You lot are always worse than children