Noctilucent Cloud Season 2023

[Sprites]

A new thread for Noctilucent cloud  reports/photos 2023.

Edit- last year's thread here 

 

Edited May 23, 2023 by Polar Maritime
To add link to last year's thread.

[mushymanrob]

what we need ideally is a webcam thatll gve mainland uk about an hours or twos warning.. i think flensburg is too far away, thats been lit up whilst we have had nothing..

[Jamie M]

I'll post some links below for useful information:

IAP MLS temperature data at 54.1N - https://alomar.andoyaspace.no/rmrlidar/html/auramls/index.html

Mesopause temperature over the UK - https://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/~hcp/meso_ts/

Welsh MST radar - http://www.mstrf.eclipse.co.uk/ncas-cdao-radar-mst_capel-dewi_latest-24-hours_m300.png

MAARSY Mesosphere radar - https://www.iap-kborn.de/en/research/department-radar-remote-sensing/current-radar-observations/maarsy-mesosphere/

OSWIN Mesophere radar - https://www.iap-kborn.de/en/research/department-radar-remote-sensing/current-radar-observations/oswin-mesosphere/

NLC Camera Map that I made - https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/edit?mid=1qhdX7mj7eciDYjZF61LU9zYDCNwdDzA&usp=sharing

IAP NLC camera network - https://www.iap-kborn.de/en/research/department-optical-soundings-and-sounding-rockets/instruments-and-models/nlc-cameras/overview/

German NLC forum - https://forum.meteoros.de/viewforum.php?f=34

German NLC website with lots of information/links and previous sightings to 1885 - http://www.leuchtende-nachtwolken.info/

German website with information about previous NLC sightings in Rostock, Germany & links - https://3sky.de/

Czech website for monitoring NLCs with previous sightings - http://ukazy.astro.cz/nlc-monitor.php

NLC visibility map, allows you to put in long/lat for possible altitudes of NLCs at certain times of day - http://www.theusner.eu/terra/nlc/nlc_vis.php

Edited May 23, 2023 by Jamie M

[Jamie M]

3 hours ago, mushymanrob said:

what we need ideally is a webcam thatll gve mainland uk about an hours or twos warning.. i think flensburg is too far away, thats been lit up whilst we have had nothing..

Might make little difference but found a webcam from Ettelsberg at 51.3N 8.6E

https://www.foto-webcam.eu/webcam/ettelsberg/

 

[mushymanrob]

That visibility map looks interesting @Jamie M

Ok..... if a day away (24 hrs) in 72 degrees East (of the greenwich meridian) ... then 24 into 72, is roughly 3, so 3 degrees per hour in advance.
Ideally what we need then are webcams at around the UKs latitude situated between 3 and 6 degrees east of Greenwich, if we are going to get an "on the night" warning ... If this works, it could save us time and prepare us for a show.... now all we need are webcams that are of any use, between 3 - 6 degrees east. I make that around Belgium and Holland...

ps... MAARSY

Edited May 24, 2023 by mushymanrob

[Jamie M]

3 hours ago, mushymanrob said:

That visibility map looks interesting @Jamie M

Ok..... if a day away (24 hrs) in 72 degrees East (of the greenwich meridian) ... then 24 into 72, is roughly 3, so 3 degrees per hour in advance.
Ideally what we need then are webcams at around the UKs latitude situated between 3 and 6 degrees east of Greenwich, if we are going to get an "on the night" warning ... If this works, it could save us time and prepare us for a show.... now all we need are webcams that are of any use, between 3 - 6 degrees east. I make that around Belgium and Holland...

ps... MAARSY

Will try and have a search around but you weren't lying about MAARSY christ 

[mushymanrob]

Heres one from the Netherlands... Texel. 4.48 degrees East .... If they show there then we have a heads up?
 

Webcams-Texel - Werkhaven Oudeschild

WEBCAMS-TEXEL.NL

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Live webcams op het mooie eiland Texel

and this, near Amsterdam, 5 degrees East
 

Webcam Westeinderplassen See , Aalsmeer - Online Live Cam

BALTICLIVECAM.COM

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In einer schönen Online-Stream-Kamera ist der malerische Westeinderplassen-See in der Stadt Aalsmeer in den Niederlanden zu sehen.

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by mushymanrob

[Jamie M]

1 hour ago, mushymanrob said:

Heres one from the Netherlands... Texel. 4.48 degrees East .... If they show there then we have a heads up?
 

Webcams-Texel - Werkhaven Oudeschild

WEBCAMS-TEXEL.NL

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Live webcams op het mooie eiland Texel

and this, near Amsterdam, 5 degrees East
 

Webcam Westeinderplassen See , Aalsmeer - Online Live Cam

BALTICLIVECAM.COM

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In einer schönen Online-Stream-Kamera ist der malerische Westeinderplassen-See in der Stadt Aalsmeer in den Niederlanden zu sehen.

 

Will keep an eye on em, added the first one as the second one seems to be down at the minute

[mushymanrob]

OK, MAARSY.....

I make that institue is 11 degrees East, meaning that when they get overhead (same latitude as northern england) echoes, we should see them 4 hours later?....

so on the chart below, the latest is 1700, 1300 is what we are getting now.... therefore what they show at 1900 we should get at 2300? and 2000 we get at midnight.... yes?

Thats assuming Arnies 360 degree 5 day cycle, = 72 degrees a day, = about 3 degrees an hour.

thoughts? am i correct?....

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by mushymanrob

[Polar Maritime]

Some good detective work on here

[Arnie Pie]

Back after some terminal pc problems just in time for a clear night and some crazy Marrsy returns  ( which nobody seems to understand) 

I`ll let you know if anythings spotted

 

 

[mushymanrob]

7 minutes ago, Arnie Pie said:

Back after some terminal pc problems just in time for a clear night and some crazy Marrsy returns  ( which nobody seems to understand) 

I`ll let you know if anythings spotted

 

 

Does my post re MAARSY make sense to you?

 

[Arnie Pie]

10 minutes ago, mushymanrob said:

Does my post re MAARSY make sense to you?

no   ...if the signals from Marrsy actually indicated Clouds i would

Edited May 24, 2023 by Arnie Pie

[Jamie M]

Small detection on SOUSY radar (http://radars.uit.no/sousy/ for info)

http://radars.uit.no/sousy6/sousy6_meso-c_img_24hr.png

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by Jamie M

[Arnie Pie]

19 minutes ago, Jamie M said:

Small detection on SOUSY radar (http://radars.uit.no/sousy/ for info)

http://radars.uit.no/sousy6/sousy6_meso-c_img_24hr.png

 

Do these indicate actual clouds Jamie?

[Jamie M]

2 minutes ago, Arnie Pie said:

Do these indicate actual clouds Jamie?

Believe it's the radar echoes from the clouds 

[Arnie Pie]

Can you post a link for that belief because i have been to the site and cant say that its indicated 

[Jamie M]

14 minutes ago, Arnie Pie said:

Can you post a link for that belief because i have been to the site and cant say that its indicated 

Vorhersage des Auftretens Leuchtender Nachtwolken

WWW.LEUCHTENDE-NACHTWOLKEN.INFO

 

[mushymanrob]

54 minutes ago, Arnie Pie said:

no   ...if the signals from Marrsy actually indicated Clouds i would

But they indicate the conditions for clouds dont they? So without an echo then theres no clouds?

[Jamie M]

Meteor radar observations of polar mesospheric summer echoes over Svalbard

AMT.COPERNICUS.ORG

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Abstract. A 31 MHz meteor radar located in Svalbard was used to observe polar mesospheric echoes (PMSEs) during summer 2020. Data from 19 July were selected for detailed analysis, with a focus on extracting...

SOUSY is also mentioned here detecting polar mesospheric echoes which we'd associate with the NLCs like with the OSWIN radar 

[Arnie Pie]

18 minutes ago, mushymanrob said:

But they indicate the conditions for clouds dont they? So without an echo then theres no clouds?

How many times have we asked the same question over the years Rob? i thought after seeing it mentioned on the European facebook site, last season, that it indicates the ingredients for the clouds to form, but not actual clouds  .. it`s never really made scense to me 

Edited May 24, 2023 by Arnie Pie

[Arnie Pie]

cheers Jamie i`ll digest later

Edited May 24, 2023 by Arnie Pie

[mushymanrob]

15 minutes ago, Arnie Pie said:

How many times have we asked the same question over the years Rob? i thought after seeing it mentioned on the European facebook site, last season, that it indicates the ingredients for the clouds to form, but not actual clouds  .. it`s never really made scense to me 

Dunno m8... i forget things easily.. yes i understand it indicates the ingredients for clouds, not the actual clouds... to me that would indicate whether they are possible, or not. No ingredients = no clouds.. so thats a help! 

[Arnie Pie]

 Frustrating beyond belief

Over the years sometimes when we have seen massive signals on Marrsy there have been NLC`s seen over Europe.

More often than not the same explosion of signals have revealed nothing 

That`s why we or nobody else has never been able to use the radar signals as a reliable forecasting tool

Give me a daisy anyday

where are the signals on Oswin radar?

Edited May 24, 2023 by Arnie Pie

[Southern Storm]

This may have been mentioned already, but I noticed the Glendale Aurora app now displays  NLC sightings 

The world's most accurate aurora app.

Aurora Alerts UK - Glendale App

AURORA-ALERTS.UK

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Glendale App is the world's most accurate aurora app.

amazing resource!