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Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Perhaps, but ukmo and ecm agreement at 96 hours is a strong combo -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Yes because the orientation is poor on the gfs early on, arpege would lead on to what the ecm and ukmo are showing by 144 -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
I think to stop us going mad, it's better to just look at ukmo and ecm up to 144 at the moment, doesn't seem to swing wildly from run to run -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Classic gfs one step forward and 2 steps back -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Yeah, you can already see there is less of cold push into Iceland which is what we want -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Haha I'm not explaining it again, I've already done it twice, just it will prop the block up better and will send the cold plunge more south rather than south west -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Gfs has took a big step to the euros early on, Look for the high to get sucked up from Uk towards greenland because the low is still enclosed in the Atlantic -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
If it makes you feel better the gfs and ukmo go their own separate ways at 96, so usually we know who backs down in that scenario, especially in an unusual situation with the Arctic high -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Arpege with an even better initial block than the ukmo. Let's hope the north American models are picking up on the incorrect pattern early on. -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
I see that happening because the cold is flooding into the north Atlantic and not south into France, When the ukmo 168 comes out I expect it to push away any Iberian heights. It's why it's vital we get a good orientation on the initial plunge of arctic air. -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
I think it's more what's going on over the Arctic which is dictating matters, going to be some stressful runs ahead I think. -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Look at the difference over Greenland from last run, going to be lots of swings in the output with this. I'd probably advise sticking with ukmo and ecm up to 144, as the longer range output is going to volatile, with arctic highs, warmings and downwelling waves -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Nice UKMO again this morning and pretty consistent I'm not keen on how the gem and gfs are sending lots of cold via Iceland and into the Atlantic, I think it will weaken the block long term. -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
All the models toy with moving the low east at some point, if it does get near the UK you want to make sure you have the cold air as south as possible by then, hence why the initial Greenland block orientation is important, This is the closest gefs member I could see to the icon, I've ran it on to see what might happen. -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
The low circled in red props up the high into Greenland a little better on the icon compared to the gfs, but like I said it probably won't make too much difference in the grand scheme of things -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
The Atlantic low, might not affect that much, other than timings of the plunge -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
It's escaped out again at 108, so I doubt this will go down the ukmo , icon and ecm run route, doesn't mean there won't be a cold plunge though. -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Can see the difference in the icon ukmo and ecm v the gfs in the Atlantic. The low in the Atlantic gets boxed in, while on the gfs it escapes out. Blocking is more robust when it's kept blocked in -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
It's the position and strength of the Arctic high causing the slight model variations, The general pattern looks set though, in terms on the Arctic high pushing the trop vortex south. Is there any stats on Arctic/polar verification for the models? -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
There were a few voices touting it Sometimes you have to go on past experience, even with all the computing model power we have today -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Hello what's going on here, More Arctic heights, I assume the stuff going on up top is the reason. Should keep that trop vortex from reforming for a while -
Model Output Discussion - Into 2024
Battleground Snow replied to Catacol's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Hopefully now the Arctic high is within 4 day timeframe, the modelling of it won't be jumping around so much, as that feature affects us so much in the later frames