Climate Man

Yes good movement further south, same again and we are well in the game. Another 48 hours before we know where this is going I fear.

Yep, I do love it when the PV visits Scandavia

From here it looks like an undercut by the feature off Canada and an intensification of the pressure over Greenland.

Absolutely agree. Been wary about this for some time. It may be possible to class it as renewable but it certainly will not help with Net Zero. Not to mention the thirsty diesel freighters bringing it here.

Trying to post GFS, won't work.......anyway, later stages show what is possible over Greenland....

Think Nick and Knocker both correct. There is just normal transient north or north westerly showing up from a week or so but the PV is weak over Greenland and and could offer an opportunity.

So the early part was forecast to have cold potential and it is already wrong?(too early to tell anyway as not winter for 3 weeks) But the forecast for even further ahead in January and February will be correct .......

Enjoy, hoping to head back next autumn or possibly winter 2023. Seems a long way off but it will probably fly by.

You and i have chatted about this amazing place before. I never miss a day of looking at the Jungfrau Region web cams. Quite possibly this snow will hold on now and that would make it one of the earlier years . I noticed this year that the glacier (can never spell it unless I look it up) did not take on its normal brown slushy summer look.

Not worthless to them though. Cheap and easy and in plentiful supply. At the same time controlling many of the materials we need. Scale of 1 to 10 worry for me. Climate change 5. New world order 10. By the way. It's good to debate with you compared with some of what goes on in other threads!

Thanks, I said last week in the other thread. The three countries mentioned and a few others, will use the relatively cheap conventional energy to strengthen both their economies and military. They will also control many of the materials needed for renewable energy. They will have a stranglehold over the west. We are already seeing Russians start to flex their muscles. Not only this but they will have an even longer reservoir of carbon based fuel as the West phases them out. I think Australia's proximity to China explains their harder line on Net Zero.

As I have stated several times in the Net Zero thread. Russia, China and India are going to use this to shift the world balance of power whilst we are removing glue. Scares me far more than climate change.

Problem they will sell the technology abroad for massive profit. Will they use it themselves....to an extent yes but they will always put their country first. This is not bad attitude necessarily. It is all about balance. China is currently walking the line economically very well and the west could learn from it. As I said before, not saying net zero is bad, even climate deniers must realise that resources are finite. It is all about transition management.

Not fossil fuels overlords but possibly fossil fuel nations many of whom also control the resources we need for net zero. In my mind China will dominate the world in my life time and I am 54. I'm am not against net zero BUT we are at a tipping point not just the much mentioned climate one but in terms of the balance of world power.

20 years ago I had a successful plastics engineering business supplying some of the world's leading companies such as Schneider Electric, ABB, GE and Tefal. In the space of 12 months we lost 80 percent of our business to China and were forced to close. The Chinese prices were lower than the power element alone of our costs . My point, power supply and pricing is critical and fossil fuels will remain cheaper for years to come. If Russia, China India etc are not on board we will be in very difficult place.

My point is that if 70% of carbon emissions are not reduced as those countries don't join in, setting an example is pointless. These countries will grow rich whilst our economy tanks. Once the west is broken they others can transition. Thus this only works the majority comply.

We are part of nature just like the other species on the planet. Most put themselves first. We know that destruction of others is bad but our natural instinct is not this. Hence there is is always a subconscious battle.

If we had continued with shale we may have been self sufficient by now and making large profits from export. No current energy shock. A win for the green lobby but a huge issue for the public at large.

For me there are two major issues. Let's put aside climate for a second. I can't see Russia, China, India, or one or two others coming to the party. Instead I see them capitalising on cheaper carbon based products at the expense of the economies of the west. Hand in hand with this goes military expansion against our electric tanks. When we discover we still need some carbon based fuel we will have to go cap in hand - entirely at their mercy. If the public realised the true cost of Net Zero from a financial point of view I am guessing many would sooner take their chances with the climate. Not saying there is no problem with climate or really with Net Zero but an panicked rush could spell a bigger disaster.

Beginning to see the chaos already. Yep, nothing wrong with net zero but we are nowhere near, as a world population, ready for it. Those not acting could cause a huge split internationally with even war a possibility.

Same period but in mid Warwickshire! Only 3 days though. The village all chipped in to dig ourselves out.

Give it a couple of weeks Karl. If we are still getting output like that it will have some meaning and an early chase can begin. Need some further cooling down first.

That's what he meant

Which renders the mean output useless as it is the sum of extremes. Perhaps not useless but not something to hang your hat on.

But the ECM which I am sorry, I cannot post, is horrible.