North West England - Weather Chat

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I'm entitled to my opinion as you are entitled your own.  Difference is, I've endured a lot more British summers than you, more than three times as many than your  mere 21.  During my 1950/60s youth I was taught to respect the views of those older and wiser, unlike today it would seem.

Not at all, I respect my elders. But as I sit outside and browse the web enjoying the sunshine, you're complaining about a summer that's not to be, when it's already happening outside.

I'm not having a go, I'm just saying, you might as well get out there and enjoy it whilst you can. It's scorching in the sun today, a very usable and unusually settled Sunday.

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I'm entitled to my opinion as you are entitled your own. Difference is, I've endured a lot more British summers than you, more than three times as many than your mere 21. During my 1950/60s youth I was taught to respect the views of those older and wiser, unlike today it would seem.

"Crystal blue skies" - you need to see Specsavers.

I'm entitled to my opinion as you are entitled your own.  Difference is, I've endured a lot more British summers than you, more than three times as many than your  mere 21.  During my 1950/60s youth I was taught to respect the views of those older and wiser, unlike today it would seem. "Crystal blue skies" - you need to see Specsavers.

I need to go where?

[Wildswimmer Pete]

I live on Palacefields, looking to my southwest cloud appears 1/8, looking north east towards Warrington, a good 3/8.  Liverpool ATIS is reporting 14C (on a fine, sunny June afternoon?) with that now inevitable cold NWesterly (300deg).  Look at my avatar - that is a 1" thick slab of ice.  I can withstand temperatures that would kill most within a few minutes, but chronic exposure to persistant low temperatures I find both physiologically and psychologically enervating.  You have to bear in mind that as you age you feel the cold increasingly more acutely.

 

Are you responsible for paying for your energy costs? I have to budget more for my heat and light that I do for my food.  The onset of autumn is feared by those of a certain age.  For most of my life we had four reasonably defined seasons in their right places.  No longer.  The most warmth we can expect nowadays is a couple of weeks of relatively warm (but not particularly sunny) weather in July. From thereon it's "Forever Autumn".

 

BTW are you sunbathing as I am - bare chested?

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I live on Palacefields, looking to my southwest cloud appears 1/8, looking north east towards Warrington, a good 3/8.  Liverpool ATIS is reporting 14C (on a fine, sunny June afternoon?) with that now inevitable cold NWesterly (300deg).  Look at my avatar - that is a 1" thick slab of ice.  I can withstand temperatures that would kill most within a few minutes, but chronic exposure to persistant low temperatures I find both physiologically and psychologically enervating.  You have to bear in mind that as you age you feel the cold increasingly more acutely.

 

Are you responsible for paying for your energy costs? I have to budget more for my heat and light that I do for my food.  The onset of autumn is feared by those of a certain age.  For most of my life we had four reasonably defined seasons in their right places.  No longer.  The most warmth we can expect nowadays is a couple of weeks of relatively warm (but not particularly sunny) weather in July. From thereon it's "Forever Autumn".

 

BTW are you sunbathing as I am - bare chested?

I can't see the sun now as I'm in work. But what does it matter where the clouds are as long as they're not obscuring the sun? Where I am near Heath Park, I could see hardly any clouds, just a few fair weather cumulus taking advantage of the non-existent high pressure cap. Liverpool airport is directly on the estuary and exposed to the NW'erly winds more so than we are. It'll naturally be cooler. The actual temperature is a few Celsius above that. I'm not saying it's hot by any means. But put your thermo in the sun. You'll see it shoot to over 40C.

1) Yes I sunbathe without a shirt

2) I'm not discussing my bills with you.

3) it's a little over 16C outside, that's not a low temperature.

[Chris.R]

"For there blows some cold nor'westers on the coasts of Merseyside" to parody an Old sea Shanti. Yes, it's sunny, but that nagging wind just won't go away . I'd love to be just a few miles inland right now, as it's really no fun living here exposed to the wind off the cold sea.

[Wildswimmer Pete]

"For there blows some cold nor'westers on the coasts of Merseyside" to parody an Old sea Shanti. Yes, it's sunny, but that nagging wind just won't go away . I'd love to be just a few miles inland right now, as it's really no fun living here exposed to the wind off the cold sea.

It's the same here 14 miles inland, here in the New Town we are a couple of hundred feet above sea level - its the Old Town that's at sea level.  I actually took the sea temp. yesterday at Colwyn Bay: 13.5C using a calibrated spirit bucket thermomter, high Spring tide fully in, that came in over fairly warm sands.  I understand the deep-water temp. in Liverpool Bay is just 11.1C which is currently below the lowest previous figure: 11.4C.  However we are still in the early part of the month we hopefully we can better that.

[Mokidugway]

I find easy jet a good cure for the anomalous northwesterlies ,been up to hull pot on pen-y-Ghent ,sat and had picnic in apleasant 15c , and mostly clear sky's ..

[Wildswimmer Pete]

I can't see the sun now as I'm in work. But what does it matter where the clouds are as long as they're not obscuring the sun? Where I am near Heath Park, I could see hardly any clouds, just a few fair weather cumulus taking advantage of the non-existent high pressure cap. Liverpool airport is directly on the estuary and exposed to the NW'erly winds more so than we are. It'll naturally be cooler. The actual temperature is a few Celsius above that. I'm not saying it's hot by any means. But put your thermo in the sun. You'll see it shoot to over 40C.

1) Yes I sunbathe without a shirt

2) I'm not discussing my bills with you.

3) it's a little over 16C outside, that's not a low temperature.

"i'm not discussing my bills with you" - then you can't claim the moral high ground if you can't justify your stance.  Those of us who have to pay, pay through the nose and unseasonal cold costs dearly in financial terms as well those of well-being.  When I first started living on my own in the early 70s the cost of light and heat was an irritating incidental.  Nowadays energy costs are the main part of one's budget, look up "fuel poverty".  Try thinking 45 years into the future.

 

"you'll see it shoot up over 40C) - actually my outdoor sensor situated in the back garden in front of a SWesterly-facing wall: 31C

Last night's min was 8.0C

 

"Liverpool airport is directly on the estuary and exposed to the NW'erly winds more so than we are" - yes, I was brought up on Wirral and then moved to Runcorn, so I do know the geography of Merseyside and Cheshire quite well.

 

When I walked to our shops in shorts and T-shirt if I hadn't known better I would have thought it was mid-April.

Edited June 7, 2015 by Wildswimmer Pete

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A decent day

[iand61]

A decent days weather, mainly sunny and with lighter winds, the strong sun felt very warm.

I even got a bit of sunburn while working in the garden and then a pub meal washed down with a few beers.

All in all, not a bad day and who needs a heatwave.

[Mokidugway]

A decent days weather, mainly sunny and with lighter winds, the strong sun felt very warm.

I even got a bit of sunburn while working in the garden and then a pub meal washed down with a few beers.

All in all, not a bad day and who needs a heatwave.

abit cooked myself from yesterday and today !!.

[iand61]

abit cooked myself from yesterday and today !!.

Some of my best, or worst from a suffering point of view sunburns have been from walking and it doesn't seem to take me long to get a decent tan out on the fells.

[AderynCoch]

"For there blows some cold nor'westers on the coasts of Merseyside" to parody an Old sea Shanti. Yes, it's sunny, but that nagging wind just won't go away . I'd love to be just a few miles inland right now, as it's really no fun living here exposed to the wind off the cold sea.

Crosby must have really drawn the short straw these past few weeks. I went to a beer festival in Waterloo at the beginning of May and the wind and rain driving in off the sea was atrocious. Sat in a church trying to keep warm (lucky I was drinking really!).

 

NWerly is such a crud wind direction at any time of year here but especially in summer. Today was better than yesterday but even though the wind was less strong it still ruined it because the actual temperatures are still so suppressed. The strength of the sun is important at this time of year but when you're stuck under such a cool airmass you really need other factors to play ball to feel the benefits and even a slight breeze off the sea cancels out the warmth of the sun, not to mention of course that it immediately goes chilly when the sun goes in.

[Chris.R]

Crosby must have really drawn the short straw these past few weeks. I went to a beer festival in Waterloo at the beginning of May and the wind and rain driving in off the sea was atrocious. Sat in a church trying to keep warm (lucky I was drinking really!).

 

NWerly is such a crud wind direction at any time of year here but especially in summer. Today was better than yesterday but even though the wind was less strong it still ruined it because the actual temperatures are still so suppressed. The strength of the sun is important at this time of year but when you're stuck under such a cool airmass you really need other factors to play ball to feel the benefits and even a slight breeze off the sea cancels out the warmth of the sun, not to mention of course that it immediately goes chilly when the sun goes in.

you are so right. The only good thing is that when we do get a South-easterly at this time of year we often fair best in the region in terms of warmth and convective activity due to the longer land fetch. Around here, when the SSTs are colder than average as they are now, on any day when showers or thunderstorms are forecast, you can say with almost complete confidence that it will remain dry here when the wind is off the sea.

[AderynCoch]

SEerlies are awesome in summer and not too shabby in winter either. There is also the added benefit that such winds take a shorter track across the sea to reach Britain in the first place than with other wind directions.

Edited June 7, 2015 by AderynCoch

[Wildswimmer Pete]

Calm and clear overnight but chilly, min 6.2C.  Cloud 4/8 and the Cu is too large and extensive to describe as "fair weather". This morning (@10:30BST) still that chilly breeze and just 12C isn't very good.  Have to make my way to Liverpool for minor heart surgery on Wednesday by public transport, so I do hope the expected mild temperatures actually materialise.

[Mokidugway]

Been up ingleborough again today but from Clapham to see gaping gyll ,sunny then rain also hail on top !!.

[Wildswimmer Pete]

This afternoon a lot of cloud melted away resulting in mostly 1/8 with some occasional patches of larger Cu: 2/8.  Looking at the cloud aloft it seemed to be coming from the NW, but at ground level the wind felt to be from the west.  Currently overcast which  developed at teatime. Not particularly warm but the still nagging breeze didn't feel quite as chilly while sunbathing.  Dry all day.

 

Edit: Just after I posted, we had a sharp shower.  Currently dry again but still overcast.  Wind has dropped out.

Edited June 8, 2015 by Wildswimmer Pete

[Wildswimmer Pete]

Very cold last night, just 4.1C, Liverpool ATIS reported 15C at 15:00 BST both values are poor for a mid-June afternoon.  Sunny in the morning with fair-weather Cu (1/8) but by 11:00 became fully infilled by Cu with just brief sunny intervals, however my Crookes radiometer on the windowsill is happily twirling so there's obviously plenty of IR radiation arriving at the ground.  Light breeze F1, currently dry.

[cheshire snow]

A valid question.

Yesterday evening a band of heavy showers spread East to West

giving my area some quite heavy downpours, why oh why in

winter does this never happen?

its so darn annoying.

Back to the here and now things look to settle down early next

week with some nice warm weather to look forward to, hopefully

the models dont back track this time

C.S

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It was a year ago since this impressive cell hit the NW, gave hail in places

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OK day

[I Cumbria Marra I]

Lovely weather today, clear blue skies a lot of the time and warm AND very little wind, still wish it was a bit warmer, 20c would do.

[weatherobsuk]

17.8'c here today, warmed up once the easterly wind abated. Hoping for more of the same tomorrow with a possibility of somewhere in Cheshire hitting 20'c into the afternoon.

[WillinGlossop]

22c today....23/24c tomorrow, although more humid, lovely.....summer is here....