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Pure cherry picking showing those GEM charts, GFS in reality is a complete car crash. An every deepening low that's being progged to the north west of

Scotland drives what was the potential of warmer conditions deep into Central Europe before even getting close to the UK. Additionally further down toning of this weekend with temos barely making the 20c Mark.

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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
  • Weather Preferences: Thunder, snow, heat, sunshine...
  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.

Pure cherry picking showing those GEM charts, GFS in reality is a complete car crash. An every deepening low that's being progged to the north west of

Scotland drives what was the potential of warmer conditions deep into Central Europe before even getting close to the UK. Additionally further down toning of this weekend with temos barely making the 20c Mark.

But the models don't control the weather, Alderc; they merely give us an indication of things to come, that is better than simple guesswork...But, whatever the models 'say' - temps will easily exceed 20C somewhere, this coming weekend...And, as for what'll occur 15-days from now?? Then your guess is a s good (or as bad) as mine. :D

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  • Location: Castle Black, the Wall, the North
  • Weather Preferences: Spanish Plumes, Blizzards, Severe Frosts :-)
  • Location: Castle Black, the Wall, the North

Since there was nothing worth posting on the Gfs 12z I see nothing wrong with posting these Gem 12z charts this evening. Let's hope we see heatwave conditions next week. The GEM has shown remarkable continuity from the 00z so let's hope it's on the right track.

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  • Location: Longwell Green, near Bristol
  • Weather Preferences: Storms, Gales, frost, fog & snow
  • Location: Longwell Green, near Bristol

As much as many of us don't want the 12z GFS conditions to verify, its still worth a mention as it will affect those on holiday/with outdoor plans etc.

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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
  • Weather Preferences: Thunder, snow, heat, sunshine...
  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.

As much as many of us don't want the 12z GFS conditions to verify, its still worth a mention as it will affect those on holiday/with outdoor plans etc.

Isn't the GFS supposed to be 'rubbish'? :D

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But the models don't control the weather, Alderc; they merely give us an indication of things to come, that is better than simple guesswork...But, whatever the models 'say' - temps will easily exceed 20C somewhere, this coming weekend...And, as for what'll occur 15-days from now?? Then your guess is a s good (or as bad) as mine. :D

Off cours they don't, but people post charts as though they do. Experience tells us even a few days ago any significant warm up and potential plume always had a very good chance of being progressively remodelled away from the UK.

As for this weekend some places may exceed 20c, but under plenty of cloud and drizzle id say it would be more of an exception.

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  • Location: Peterborough
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and frost in the winter. Hot and sunny, thunderstorms in the summer.
  • Location: Peterborough

We are seeing a second ex-tropical depression heading towards us (around the day 5/6 range it starts moving towards the UK), that could possibly add a little more uncertainty to the models as it will interact with our by now present Atlantic trough.

The ECM looks quite a bit better at day 6

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UKMO

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Looks like a rather broad warm sector which could deliver high temperatures in any sunny spells in the east.

 

GFS

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Much much quicker with that low being several hundred miles further east (Just south west of Ireland compared to being in the mid-Atlantic on the Euros).

 

GEM

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Quite a lot of uncertainty, is the GFS being way too progressive and we might still see a hotter pattern set up next week?

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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
  • Weather Preferences: Thunder, snow, heat, sunshine...
  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.

Off cours they don't, but people post charts as though they do. Experience tells us even a few days ago any significant warm up and potential plume always had a very good chance of being progressively remodelled away from the UK.

As for this weekend some places may exceed 20c, but under plenty of cloud and drizzle id say it would be more of an exception.

That, IMO, is a risky bet; 4-hours' sunshine, and anywhere south of The Wash could see 24-25? We'll see my friend... :drunk:

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The GEFS anomaly Wednesday has the trough just to the west of the UK but close enough to control the flow over the UK with the ridge away to the east. Temps around average. Moving on a week the trough has gone and with ridges western Atlantic and Europe a general swathe of HP across the Atlantic is the order of the day with probably a slack westerly flow and temps still around average but pleasanty dry conditions.

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/

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  • Location: chellaston, derby
  • Weather Preferences: The Actual Weather ..... not fantasy.
  • Location: chellaston, derby

Vorticity.... Excellant post, thank you very much.

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  • Location: st albans
  • Location: st albans

ECM spreads show what is probably the worse case scenario with a system crossing the UK later next week

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Uncertainty reigns!

Incidentally, what is definitely going to happen over the next 7/10 days is the removal of the se European low anomoly. things are definitely changing but what does it mean for the

UK?

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

Neither the GFS nor Euro really threaten 30C. Hopes are dependent on the minor models i'd say..

 

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

There is very much agreement between the GEFS and ECM anomalies for Wednesday so bearing in mind the surface detail has still to be resolved this would not show any great inclinations towards a plume over the UK as the trough is the controlling factor. In the ext period the ECM also follows the GEFs with the Azores HP coming into play with the HP eastern Europe giving the proverbial slack westerly flow over the UK.

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

18z once again does not back any profound hot spell. 

 

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  • Location: portsmouth uk
  • Weather Preferences: extremes
  • Location: portsmouth uk

We are seeing a second ex-tropical depression heading towards us (around the day 5/6 range it starts moving towards the UK), that could possibly add a little more uncertainty to the models as it will interact with our by now present Atlantic trough.

The ECM looks quite a bit better at day 6

ECM1-144.GIF?23-0

 

UKMO

UW144-21.GIF?23-18

Looks like a rather broad warm sector which could deliver high temperatures in any sunny spells in the east.

 

GFS

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Much much quicker with that low being several hundred miles further east (Just south west of Ireland compared to being in the mid-Atlantic on the Euros).

 

GEM

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Quite a lot of uncertainty, is the GFS being way too progressive and we might still see a hotter pattern set up next week?

But notice how the ex tropical storms don't make inroads into the uk....

In other words expect alot of heat from the sw and south and I believe this will be the general theme through the rest of summer.

Classic nino effects and some hot weather on and off to perhaps a thudery summer to.

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  • Location: portsmouth uk
  • Weather Preferences: extremes
  • Location: portsmouth uk

18z once again does not back any profound hot spell.

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But the low pressure don't make it into the uk so it's pumping up warm air from the southwest tm air.

And even showing signs of drawing the azores heights up over the uk and renforcing the euro heights.

most of the uk looks average to above in the south and south east .

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  • Location: chellaston, derby
  • Weather Preferences: The Actual Weather ..... not fantasy.
  • Location: chellaston, derby

well... (cherry picked chart but one that illustrates a good few days).

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an outlier?....

the 00z might be a little progressive in suggesting this pretty hot evolution. but the noaa anoms over the last several days were having non of the quick flattening out and a return to westerlies after a breif hot day next tuesday.

the noaa have consistently suggested this pattern for next week

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which to me suggests a euro-ridge, mid atlantic trough. a pattern that these charts expect to not be a breif affair but last several days. true the latest 8-14 suggest a weakening of the euro-ridge, but not really supporting the recent op runs which suggest a controling trough to our north by later next week.

so whilst i think the 00z is over emphisisning the possible pressure build to our east, i think previous runs from both the gfs and ecm have under estimated it, as per what the noaa anomaly charts have consistently suggested.

interesting times and one that may prove pivotal to the rest of summer.

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  • Location: Drayton, Portsmouth
  • Location: Drayton, Portsmouth

ECM T192 comes with a health warning! Record breaking heat across most of the UK!!

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=72&mode=0&map=0&type=0&archive=0 - select T192

Do not adjust your sets, this is what it really shows!

(Just one run, of course...)

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  • Location: St Austell,Cornwall
  • Location: St Austell,Cornwall

ECM T192 comes with a health warning! Record breaking heat across most of the UK!!

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=72&mode=0&map=0&type=0&archive=0 - select T192

Do not adjust your sets, this is what it really shows!

(Just one run, of course...)

This "record breaking" would be short lived in fact it doesn't even last for two days. Only one run on one model of course

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  • Location: Longwell Green, near Bristol
  • Weather Preferences: Storms, Gales, frost, fog & snow
  • Location: Longwell Green, near Bristol

This "record breaking" would be short lived in fact it doesn't even last for two days. Only one run on one model of course

Doubt whether it will last for 5mins, let alone days! ;)

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  • Location: Leeds
  • Weather Preferences: snow, heat, thunderstorms
  • Location: Leeds

This "record breaking" would be short lived in fact it doesn't even last for two days. Only one run on one model of course

Well, let's put it this way - 20C temps at 850hpa, as far as I'm aware, have never reached past the SE corner of the UK, so to get them up to Scotland would produce some silly high temperatures - however fleeting. Plus the rest of the run shows it remaining warm in the S and E of the UK.

 

It seems unrealistic though.

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