Winter 2021-22 Chat, Moans and ramps thread

[damianslaw]

1 hour ago, Empire Of Snow said:

It's not UK. It's west Norway. 

Suspect much of Scotland, N Ireland, NW England and Wales on a par with west Norway.

[Empire Of Snow]

A photo from Attica, Athens. It's not sea level ofc, it's around 350m asl, but it paints a picture of the depth of snow these places can get. 

Here's the meteorological conditions: Around - 9 850hpa, L at SE of Rhodes, - 39 to - 42 geo 500 which causes the snowstorms with electricals, NE winds bringing a squall "lake effect" phenomenon from Aegean Sea. 

 

[Downburst]

35 minutes ago, damianslaw said:

Suspect much of Scotland, N Ireland, NW England and Wales on a par with west Norway.

There's this 

 

And this, more focused. Not good, but we know that. No use howling at the moon.

[Freeze]

I live right in the middle of that tiny patch of yellow on the south coast with 1800-2000 hrs. Aren't I lucky

[MP-R]

4 hours ago, Empire Of Snow said:

The majority of citizens in countries like Italy, Spain and Greece don't enjoy the hot weather unless they are on their 7-10 days summer holidays. In fact I don't even know anybody that enjoys summer in Greece. You're struggling at work because of the heat, bills go through the roof because of the continuous operation of A/C. It's a nightmare. 

Yes it's like a paradise for us in the UK when we go to these countries for holidays but it's not the same when you have to live for months under these conditions. 

Not true. Most of the people I spoke to when I lived in Madrid said they love the sun, and only dislike the heat when it gets above the high thirties.

A number of them who’d actually spent summers in London and southern England actually noted how more unpleasant it was when hot than in most of Spain.

[Polaris]

4 hours ago, Empire Of Snow said:

The majority of citizens in countries like Italy, Spain and Greece don't enjoy the hot weather unless they are on their 7-10 days summer holidays. In fact I don't even know anybody that enjoys summer in Greece. You're struggling at work because of the heat, bills go through the roof because of the continuous operation of A/C. It's a nightmare. 

Yes it's like a paradise for us in the UK when we go to these countries for holidays but it's not the same when you have to live for months under these conditions. 

Not true. 
 

My native Madrid friends and locals in Almeria Spain where I visit every year, love their hot weather. It’s their culture. 
 

Folk climatize and it becomes part of there everyday living. Don’t think I’ve ever met a Spanish/Greek local who has complained of their glorious summer weather before. 
Not like the brits, that scream “it’s too hot” after 1 day of 27c 

Edited January 25, 2022 by Polaris

[Skullzrulerz]

8 hours ago, Bald Eagle said:

No..you're the only county

Damm

It's been dull here for the past few days.

A Wasted winter

[Floatylight]

7 minutes ago, Skullzrulerz said:

Damm

It's been dull here for the past few days.

A Wasted winter

Hold that thought  

[PiscesStar]

5 hours ago, TwisterGirl81 said:

I will scream if we don't get this pattern in spring summer and it flips to continual low pressures 

I'm going to get my industrial strength ear defenders bought then...  

Edited January 25, 2022 by PiscesStar

[weathercold]

11 minutes ago, Lukesluckybunch said:

Well another set of uninspiring ensembles from the gfs,perhaps there really is no hope for this winter..let's hope the ECM can continue where it left this morning

Roll on Spring! Today’s models are again another conveyor belt of crud sadly. No end in sight.

[Don]

Well, if the latest Metoffice monthly forecast is correct, the southern half of the UK is unlikely so see any snow at all up until the 23rd February! 

[damianslaw]

1 hour ago, Downburst said:

There's this 

 

And this, more focused. Not good, but we know that. No use howling at the moon.

Large part North Scotland in the deep blue also parts of northern England. As expected these parts along with parts SW Norway and the Kola Peninsula along with Iceland lowest sunshine levels. 

[damianslaw]

2 minutes ago, Don said:

Well, if the latest Metoffice monthly forecast is correct, the southern half of the UK is unlikely so see any snow at all up until the 23rd February! 

Uninspiring suggests azores high sat limpet to our SW with brief NW incursions into northern parts.. still its better than a relentless SW flow as we saw in Feb 20.

[PiscesStar]

What a bloody bore fest this winter has turned out to be. I have never know a high pressure to stick around this long.  Irritating the crap out of most of us like a mother in law out staying it's welcome 

[NewEra21]

14 minutes ago, PiscesStar said:

What a bloody bore fest this winter has turned out to be. I have never know a high pressure to stick around this long.  Irritating the crap out of most of us like a mother in law out staying it's welcome 

Someone needs to nuke that high once and for all. Just feels like everywhere around us has at least hit the jackpot  once this winter, whether that be Europe, Asia or the States. Looks like it's New Yorks annual snowstorm this weekend. 

The frustration just goes on and on, this really has been such a depressing  winter as a cold weather fan in the UK. Yes we are used to disappointment, but there's not even any glimmers of hope currently! 

Edited January 25, 2022 by NewEra21
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[matty40s]

 

[damianslaw]

8 minutes ago, NewEra21 said:

Someone needs to nuke that high once and for all. Just feels like everywhere around us has at least hit the jackpot  once this winter, whether that be Europe, Asia or the States. Looks like it's New Yorks annual snowstorm this weekend. 

The frustration just goes on and on, this really has been such a depressing  winter as a cold weather fan in the UK. Yes we are used to disappointment, but there's not even any glimmers of hope currently! 

Worse aspect I guess about it for cold snow fans is the absence of an Atlantic train and with heights never far away the chances of pulling of cold at least have been high, just heights never seem to gain a footing in the right place for wintry cold. Very frustrating. In winters such as 13-14, 15-16 and 19-20 the disappointment was tempered due to the strength of the Atlantic and limited opportunity. 

[sundog]

Wonder is this winter very similar to the ones of the mid 70s which had little snow and plenty of high pressure. 

[Rammie]

18 minutes ago, NewEra21 said:

Someone needs to nuke that high once and for all. Just feels like everywhere around us has at least hit the jackpot  once this winter, whether that be Europe, Asia or the States. Looks like it's New Yorks annual snowstorm this weekend. 

The frustration just goes on and on, this really has been such a depressing  winter as a cold weather fan in the UK. Yes we are used to disappointment, but there's not even any glimmers of hope currently! 

Around 2pm this afternoon,  it was 2c . What more do you want?

[NewEra21]

1 minute ago, Rammie said:

Around 2pm this afternoon,  it was 2c . What more do you want?

I think we all know the answer to that one, yes it's currently chilly. But it's not a proper cold spell, with cold 850s and snow opportunities.  It's just a mucky HP sat over us with suppressed temps, but even they will turn milder soon.

[SqueakheartLW]

2 hours ago, Downburst said:

There's this 

 

And this, more focused. Not good, but we know that. No use howling at the moon.

Tells you everything when Greenland gets more sun than the UK on average even though it spends several months of the year in total darkness.

[Bobd29]

24 minutes ago, SqueakheartLW said:

Tells you everything when Greenland gets more sun than the UK on average even though it spends several months of the year in total darkness.

Hilarious, summer hols in Greenland?

[cheeky_monkey]

1 hour ago, SqueakheartLW said:

Tells you everything when Greenland gets more sun than the UK on average even though it spends several months of the year in total darkness.

and also has several months of the year with 24 hrs of daylight

[sukayuonsensnow]

11 hours ago, mb018538 said:

It depends where you are. Not all of Turkey is cold and snowy.

If you were somewhere like Bodrum...average highs there in winter are 15/16c. Definitely not cold and snowy. Istanbul does receive a fair amount of snow though.

It's also good to note the geography of Turkey, especially the north.

Take Istanbul for example. To its southwest is the Sea of Marmara and the Aegean Sea (leading into the Mediterranean). To the northeast is the Black Sea. Istanbul is well away from the Atlantic and its influences are somewhat mitigated. The other side of the Black Sea is Russia.

To the southeast of Turkey lies the Levant and Egypt, with a lot of dry weather and high pressure influence. This high pressure influence often slows the progression of low pressure from moving more east and south (but not always).

If in the winter a cold northerly wind develops, that cold air comes straight down from Finland and west Russia, where temperatures can get as low as -10c/-20c, perhaps colder in some winters. The cold northerly wind crosses the warmer Black Sea, resulting in lake effect snow for northern Turkey. Much of Turkey is mountainous, so even if the air is slightly too mild on the coast at the lower levels it will be colder in the mountains.

If a low develops in the Mediterranean Sea or comes down from the Balkans/W Europe, the warmer drier high pressure to the Eastern Mediterranean mitigates its progress. The cold air from the north combines with the warmer drier air from the southeast, amplifying the low pressure. The low pressure rotates, and with cold air from the north and northwest crossing over the warmer Sea of Marmara and Black Sea it reinvigorates the precipitation, resulting in significant rain/snowfall in the region. If the low becomes particularly intense along with the various factors and temperature contrasts involved, the precipitation becomes heavier, and evaporative cooling comes into the equation for those areas of the region affected by the low where the air is slightly too mild.

In fact with all those factors it isn't surprising if a 'snownado' occurs.

Northern Turkey are in a much better position to get lake/sea effect snow than we are. We need an easterly, straight from Siberia, with low pressure to our south over France/Iberia (as we learnt last year the Netherlands/Germany is too far East for that low). N/NW Japan is in the perfect position, as the wind travels west to east anyway and to their west is NE China, Mongolia and Siberia, which is very cold in Winter, often colder than E Europe is. Japan is also mountainous. Very cold W/NW winds over the warmer Sea of Japan, predominantly westerly winds. No wonder they get among the heaviest snowfall in the world (hence my username).

If we want big snowfall in the UK then better hope the Earth starts rotating the other way so we get E/SE winds most of time. Although logically that wouldn't make sense anyway.

[matt111]

Well it was nice to at least be able to pretend we were in a cold spell with how cold it felt here today. The way things are going that's as close as we'll get to proper cold weather. Of course it was still dull and boring besides that.

Edited January 25, 2022 by matt111