Moans, ramps and banter

[midlandsun]

 TonyH my dad lives in Wales he said it's been decent, here in the east it's constant grey cloud and drizzle with a horrible northerly breeze, really grim.

 raz.org.rain how many times have we seen this though and it fizzle out. Given up hope to be honest just can't see it

[Josh Rubio]

Why is it that is starts off nice and sunny, for it then cloud over and go completely overcast by midday? It then goes sunny again in the evening, just as the sun starts to set. 

[stainesbloke]

12°C and drizzling in west London. The foulness continues 

[Alderc 2.0]

Oh look, ECM trying to bring in a stiff northerly for the start of May….that would be fun….

[B87]

 Alderc 2.0 I give up at this point. Hopefully 2025 will be better. It can't be any worse.

[danm]

 raz.org.rain warm, wet and thundery according to those charts. 

[Wade]

The fact that some of the charts are showing a full on northerly in May is hilarious to me, I want to see how bad nature can make it just to wind everyone up

[Daniel*]

7 hours ago, richie3846 said:

I've saved a screenshot shot of B87's calculation table for future reference. Very useful. I'm thinking a lot of the ongoing discussions about sunshine over the years, may have been unintentionally misleading and pessimistic because of this discrepancy. I'd say this topic needs bringing to the forefront from time to time, to remind people of the adjustments, and to check their sources of information for raw or adjusted data, where that is possible. 

It might not be relevant or applicable to other stations the Heathrow sun recorder was changed in late 2005. From Campbell Stokes recorder to automatic Kipp & Zonen sensor, it’s believed to marginally record less sun. 

[B87]

 Wade Hopefully we will get an August where the coldest day is 25c to make up for it.

[raz.org.rain]

 Wade it's funny how the charts are only reliable if they're showing crap. Any hints of warmer weather and suddenly "it's ten days away", it's the CFS" etc.

[B87]

 raz.org.rain Any change to something more typical for the time of year always gets pushed back, and has done since mid March.

Now 8c and raining at the end of April, when it would usually be 16-17c, dry with partly cloudy skies.

Edited April 25 by B87

[CryoraptorA303]

 In Absence of True Seasons Eh, climate deniers pull the 1976 card all the time whenever a recent heatwave is brought up, so it's just the same as that.

[In Absence of True Seasons]

 Josh Rubio because our climate is a serial prankster 

[CryoraptorA303]

5 minutes ago, B87 said:

Any change to something more typical for the time of year always gets pushed back, and has done since mid March

Aside from the two warm weekends and the warmish week we had?

6 minutes ago, B87 said:

Now 8c and raining at the end of April, when it would usually be 16-17c, dry with partly cloudy skies.

There is no "usually" about it, there have been plenty of times when we've had these conditions in late April and colder. April is a chaotic month with no "should be", it can be below freezing overnight and snowing or 29°C at this time of year, and anything inbetween.

[In Absence of True Seasons]

 Azazel yep. I mean what can they do. It sucks for them also. I bet they'd love to be able to tell everyone a week of sunny, warm and dry is coming...but we live in the Faroe Islands 2.0, so no dice.

Edited April 25 by In Absence of True Seasons

[In Absence of True Seasons]

 Alderc 2.0 the ground had just started to become a bit less spongelike so we need the rain to return it to it's natural new-normal state of swampland.

Edited April 25 by In Absence of True Seasons

[stainesbloke]

 raz.org.rain Same in winter. What a miserable climate, no one is happy, be they coldies or warmies

[B87]

 CryoraptorA303 The average conditions for late April are however 16-17c with partly cloudy skies.

We had 3 warmish days that had some sun, but plenty of cloud as well. We haven't had a day with 10+ hours of sun since 14th September 2023.

A 120 hour April is not normal at all.

Edited April 25 by B87

[*Stormforce~beka*]

 stainesbloke I'm a warmie and a coldy! I'm screwed ...

[stainesbloke]

 *Stormforce~beka* I think many of us true weather enthusiasts are screwed, sadly  

[CryoraptorA303]

1 minute ago, B87 said:

The average conditions for late April are however 16-17c with partly cloudy skies.

They are, but average conditions don't mean much in a month as chaotic as April. There is huge room for what can be considered normal at this time of the year.

We have simply had a large number of warm and/or sunny Aprils this century that have distorted expectations for the month. It's unprecedented really. We are well overdue some poor Aprils and sunny, dry autumn months.

[B87]

 CryoraptorA303 The long term sunshine average for April is 177 hours. The last 10 years average 191 hours. I'd be happy with anything above 160 at this point (which is now impossible).

Edited April 25 by B87

[Frigid]

 stainesbloke As someone who usually doesn't mind dull and wet, even I'm starting to get bored of it. Sunny days in spring are perfect, shame the majority of it has been so cloudy. 

[stainesbloke]

 Frigid Yes, it’s been a long, dreary slog. I’m not after April heatwaves either, a pleasant 16°C with predominantly sunny conditions and some traditional showers would suit me fine. 

[Markus03]

In my area there's rain and 3 degrees. It's not as bad where you have around 15 degrees. That's actually pretty good. Not hot but not cold either.

Edited April 25 by Markus03